Wayne Dupuy

[fuelfan]

What happened to this guy?
Did he bump his head a little too hard?

It looked to me like he blindsided Doug who had supported him through his recovery and allowing him to get rid of Brisette. But Wayne's tuning ability never seemed to come back. Then he quits and allegedly stole parts and who knows what. Now there's an arrest warrant out and he is supposed to "turn himself in"???

Who has something to add here??

[stephenkj]

Fuelfan...nothing really to add, but it's a bummer to hear and read about situations like this. It IS news, but it's something that I believe both party's wish it would have stayed "in house."

JMHO

Stephen

[512 T/F]

I feel for Doug. He seemed like he went well above and beyond the call in supporting Wayne after his accident, and now to have this happen, man o man

[jpee]

Its a bad situation for all.. however the accusation is Wayne STOLE something... my "Personal Opinion" is he did not take any "Hard Parts" i.e. heads, pistons, blocks.. etc.. I'm thinking Wayne may have taken computer readouts, or run logs.. Those are tough to come by, & any new team that hired Wayne would sure like it if he (Wayne) had all the info on how Doug's car ran with various set ups at various tracks & weather conditions..

Just MHO

[Simply Fuelish]

Nice to be back !! The Mater Blows !!! I saw Jannard dump some dinero on Jerrod (clown) and made it a member pay site. He thinks some playa's will post there. Highly doubtful...a few too many runmors and a few too many realities

Anyway, Im glad to be back bustin balls on the NHRA and props where props due !

Wayne hit his head a little too hard I think too.

[fuelfan]

I think the arrest warrant is for a felony theft, which does include hard parts. I think the run logs are a separate issue. Either way, I believe Wayne left Doug high and dry after Doug supported him. Really stabbed him in the back.

You may have also noticed the ESPN interview with Wayne in Brainerd where he was helping the UPS team and saying he was trying to get his act together and wasn't ready for a full time gig. Then at Memphis Wayne told ESPN that he was glad to be back in it again helping his brother and Vandergriffs team. Notice how Wayne was then absent in Indy?

I am wondering if he did turn himself in this week.

[nfshotrod]

I think the arrest warrant is for a felony theft, which does include hard parts. I think the run logs are a separate issue. Either way, I believe Wayne left Doug high and dry after Doug supported him. Really stabbed him in the back.

You may have also noticed the ESPN interview with Wayne in Brainerd where he was helping the UPS team and saying he was trying to get his act together and wasn't ready for a full time gig. Then at Memphis Wayne told ESPN that he was glad to be back in it again helping his brother and Vandergriffs team. Notice how Wayne was then absent in Indy?

I am wondering if he did turn himself in this week.


Wayne was at Indy, I saw him and Jim talking to murf about the frame.

[fuelfan]

He was laying low, flying under the radar!

He wasn't at the starting line, that's for sure.

[Simply Fuelish]

Doug is not the nicest fella in the world at times either....Wayne is standing his ground. He has nothing to hide.

[fuelfan]

So did he turn himself in if he has nothing to hide?

[panda2]

Personally, I feel horrible for Wayne, Doug and everyone involved in the sport we all love. It seems as though this sport brings out the very worst in people. Amazingly, it always seems to be between the ones who were, at one time, the very best of friends. I think too often some people want to make these types of things a LEGAL issue when that simply isn't necessary.
When people have worked together as closely as these team owners/drivers/team members/crew chiefs have, I have to believe that a resolution can be reached without involving the legal system. Problem is,
no one wants give - everyone wants to be right - the "I'll just show you" attitude rears it's ugly head. It's a shame and it's horrible.

[CrewGuy]

Wayne.....looks like you've got some splaining to do!
Sunday.........
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey2.jpg
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey3.jpg
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey1.jpg

[fuelfan]

who is that in the tan shirt?

[CrewGuy]

I don't know who the guy is, but Wayne was sure doing some "colorful" talking to him. A few minutes later Bob stepped into the conversation.

[competition]

That is Ken Sklute...the PR guy for Vandergriff

[NOS Freak]

Notice how "dirty" his hands are.... Just helping his brother....??:confused:

[Nitro-fumes]

It seems as though this sport brings out the very worst in people.

Wow, that sure is an bold statement! This sport has nothing to do with how someone portrays themselves in the public sector. People have to be held accountable for their own actions, I mean maybe if he were a 10 year old kid I could let peer pressure or something explain this, but even then I would have a tough time blaming the "sport". Maybe I should quit watching the sport before it causes me to do something ludicously wrong. It's like the stupid defense in court that they heard it in a song and so they went out a did it, feeble defenses are for feeble minds.

That was not meant to come off as an attack on you panda2, simply a statement that people must learn to take responsibility.

[fuelfan]

So is Wayne going to be in Reading??

[sklooty]

Yes, he's in town, helping Jim.

[Billy W]

I haven't realy been part of a Pro Drag team.. so i'm not sure how it works with them.. But.... in NASCAR territory the crew chief use to own his own set up and tech books and keep all the logs him self..then about the mid 90's teams got wise and started having them keep logs and notes in a computer owned by the team itself..... that way when the crew chief leaves some of if not all of his notes are left behind since they paid for all the tech leading up to the notes.....

Maybe Doug did the same thing and feels some thngs left that shouldn't have(info wise).... and feels he is privy to the info as well....or ia copy should have at least been left behind.

Or maybe Wayne feels he brougth some things to the dance and he should leave with those things.....

Or there is always the old adage.... three sides to the story.... Waynes, Dougs, and the truth..... no one will ever know ... some times the ones involved get side tracked and loose direction....

Billy W

[fuelfan]

Apparently there was more missing than just the logs when Wayne left Doug's.

[bobby]

I'll call Lynwood and tell him to get Wayne on here and straighten this whole thing out. It's to hard for me to believe that Wayne is a thief.

[anotheridiot]

I dont think any of us will know the answers, but my opinion that I stated on the espn boards was along the line that the only reason I didnt think doug had a problem at the beginning was because wayne was actually using the run information he got from the amato car. Doug didnt just start running better when Wayne came to help, he was running Russell kinds of numbers. So I thought in order for doug to not let on that he was actually using amatos information, he wanted to move on and forget about it.

The racepack used to be downloaded into a computer in a trailer, so I dont know why doug didnt have files of each run. I guess nowadays it might be more into laptops so it the laptop was with wayne then he had the only copy. Remember wayne was on the way to seattle when he got the message from doug to go home. If wayne is on a plane, ready to spend a week at a hotel in seattle, of course he would have his notes with him to start preparing the tuneup. Thats what I figured doug was looking for. The rest of the stuff I really dont know, I still dont think wayne was much into development of parts.

So if Doug used Amato info that wayne thought he owned, then neither wayne or doug should get what should belong to Amato. If Amato wants to sell his information to either one, that should be his decision because it is his, not Dougs or waynes. amato could get involved in this and say that Doug actually stole his stuff and it might never end.

[Bob Korreck]

The prosecutor had the warrent issued after an investigation. They would not have gotten involved if it was just data.

[jpee]

The prosecutor had the warrant issued after an investigation. They would not have gotten involved if it was just data.

So if I were at your house & copied your financial records,check book etc.. & your personal paperwork it is not criminal ?

[Bob Korreck]

So if I were at your house & copied your financial records,check book etc.. & your personal paperwork it is not criminal ?

Maybe, maybe not. You're the one that should know the answer. If I called the local police dept and told them to arrest you for copying my records I think they would laugh at me.

I also know there were missing ......

[fuelfan]

Remember Wayne was on the way to seattle when he got the message from doug to go home. .

That isn't the story as I know it, Doug reports that Wayne called him & quit, Wayne admitted on ESPN he wanted time off to get his act together. Then the data turns up missing, then evidently some other stuff was gone.

It goes back to what I said originally, Wayne may have banged his head a little too hard that Thanksgiving night.

As my girlfriend said, there's something suspect about being out alone in the middle of the night after Thanksgiving anyways, so why or how he wound up upside down in a high speed wreck was never reported.

[Ron Burke]

Seems to me this is not so complicated. Usual employment contracts stipulate (stripped of the legal mumbo jumbo) that anything you develop while on the employers dime belongs to the employer unless you have his written clearance. This is SOP in all engineering and I would assume it is the same for crew chiefs.

Without a written agreement the default position is as above. To have a different arrangement requires an employment contract stating who owns the rights to what.

[Bob Korreck]

Seems to me this is not so complicated. Usual employment contracts stipulate (stripped of the legal mumbo jumbo) that anything you develop while on the employers dime belongs to the employer unless you have his written clearance. This is SOP in all engineering and I would assume it is the same for crew chiefs.

Without a written agreement the default position is as above. To have a different arrangement requires an employment contract stating who owns the rights to what.

Gotta disagree Ron. If you don't sign a proprietary agreement there is no agreement. That's why they have them. If as you stated, there wouldn't be such a thing.

[anotheridiot]

Gotta disagree Ron. If you don't sign a proprietary agreement there is no agreement. That's why they have them. If as you stated, there wouldn't be such a thing.

That is true, we dont know what was signed, and if my theory of wayne using the amato tuneup that had Doug running Russell numbers right from the start, how could you try to get a guy to sign an agreement? Just starting in that fashion, Doug should have known whatever he took from Amato would just lead Wayne to taking from him when they parted ways. Could he ask for a proprietary agreement from a guy that was using someone elses proprietary stuff to get the job?

As far as the phone call, what was reported was Wayne left Doug a message asking for time off and Doug called back and left a message for wayne to go home. So Wayne did ask for time and Doug obliged. I dont think they actually talked to discuss it. It sounded heat of the moment Dougzilla who didnt realize that all the information was with Wayne on the way to prepare for the next race.

I still think Amato felt bad for Wayne over the Russell situation and didnt mind him taking what he learned to try to get attached to another team. Doug was all over signing him right away. At the end of the day, they both lost and probably deserved to lose.

[Ron Burke]

Gotta disagree Ron. If you don't sign a proprietary agreement there is no agreement. That's why they have them. If as you stated, there wouldn't be such a thing.

There have been many cases over the years which assigned the developed product/invention etc. to the employer when an written contract was not present. This is pretty much standard practice in the court system.

In order to beat this you must show the development of the product/invention etc. was done on your own time, own dime. There have probably been a case or two where the ruling went the other way but in general the above is the case.

[The_Leaker]

Some first hand knowledge ....

For anyone who has worked for either doug herbert or wayne they should know who is who in the field of shooting off orders

Ok for one Doug is not as nice as he comes off television so to judge people via the tube is crazy

Doug is a loudmouth ass who barks and barks and expects the world to be at his beck and call and has no interaction with his team because he is way above talking to the help.

Now for wayne he too is a loudmouth ass but its his nature to shoot off at the jaw but he will sit and shoot the rap with ya and he never puts himself on above level of anyone.

Lynwood his father is one of the most even keeled people i have ever had the pleasure of knowing. when he was with nhra you could count on being taken care of if he was involved with your issue.

When doug hired wayne to work with him it doug had nothing to contribute other then some old ass brissette/excheifs crap that exploded on every run

doug hired wayne and that doesnt mean he owns all the tuneups and the parts that wayne developed

ANYONE can file a complaint about parts information etc and then have that person charged with a crime.

Doug herbert is bent outa chape that wayne was tired of DOUGS BULL**** and i dont blame anyof them

YOU think its ironic that doug has mega money and still cant hit his ass like a 747 landing on a tarmac?

Doug herbet is pissed he had no contract and wayne just up and left because he was tired of dougs rantings and basic childish antics

Wayne isnt right in the head since the accident and i dont think he will ever be he just doesnt seem to have the edge anymore..what wayne did wasnt right but hes not in my mind capable of being a fulltime crew chief anymore , his backup role of his brother is a perfect position.

Doug herbert has money and has a attitude and he uses it in his own way and then spews the crap over the net and tv

NHRA told doug to drop this and the crap that went along with it because they saw this also as a vendetta and a attack because of the quiting and the team switch BUT NOOOO ya think doug would listen hell no doug isnt a HILLBILLY anymore hes big time , even snap on people agreed the press was not needed abd they too arent real happy with the recent doug herbert expression of his self.

So to all the people who are defending doug herbert you all need to see the real side of herbie and then find out the real reasons people leave the snap on team

Doug hired wayne he didnt buy the equipment wayne brought with him and took off dougs car..he doesnt own the data he doesnt own the control systems he hired wayne he didnt buy the items doug claims he stole


that is all




PS

jeggie c ran 664 @208 in virgina a few days ago WOOT WOOT

[Bob Korreck]

**** Leaker, you're on a roll. You need to chill out before you have a heart attack. :D

[The_Leaker]

Ahhh sorry for the rant i just get fumed when i see someone getting rolled and no one has a clue the roller is a huge phalis

[Bob Korreck]

Ahhh sorry for the rant i just get fumed when i see someone getting rolled and no one has a clue the roller is a huge phalis

No apology needed. Sometimes we just gotta say what we gotta say. Just didn't want you to blow up. Blood pressure I mean. :D

[Nitro1102]

Leaker is right on about Dupuy and Doug.....take it for what it is--Dupuy has a history of taking what doesn't legally belong to him---goes back to the mid 90's (that I know)--Doug knows the history and isn't about to let someone bend him over--and he has the money to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[TF_Racing_Fan]

Leaker is right on about Dupuy and Doug.....take it for what it is--Dupuy has a history of taking what doesn't legally belong to him---goes back to the mid 90's (that I know)--Doug knows the history and isn't about to let someone bend him over--and he has the money to make sure it doesn't happen again.

What happened in the mid 90's?:confused:

[anotheridiot]

Leaker is right on about Dupuy and Doug.....take it for what it is--Dupuy has a history of taking what doesn't legally belong to him---goes back to the mid 90's (that I know)--Doug knows the history and isn't about to let someone bend him over--and he has the money to make sure it doesn't happen again.

You see I disagree with this about Doug. I know he is a hardcase and that is really what Dougzilla is all about.

I think the ONLY reason he hired Wayne was because he took information and Doug wanted to be the one that got the benefit this time. Doug was running great when Wayne came along with the amato tuneup. Lately he has sucked big time. So would Doug want to finally stop waynes sticky fingers just because he is part of it now? If he used Waynes borrowed information why is it wrong for anyone else to use it now? Its not like the UPS car is winning meets.

[fuelfan]

As I recall, about the time Wayne got hired by Doug there was talk about Amato and Herbert being a 2 car team, sharing information. I think that is what started the relationship. I am not altogether sure that that information swap wasn't taking place before Dupuy came to Herbert's camp.

Just by virtue of the fact that Herbert let Brisette go based on Dupuy's demand should account for the fact that Herbert trusted Wayne and was trying to give him everything he needed to get his job done properly.

[512 T/F]

Wayne.....looks like you've got some splaining to do!
Sunday.........
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey2.jpg
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey3.jpg
http://crewguysplace.com/Dupey1.jpg
These are very interesting photos, especially if you are a student of body language, the men pictured here are telling quite a story......

[NHRAguardianangel]

Wow! This situation with Wayne Dupuy and Doug Herbert is MESSY! It must be so hard for you guys right? I mean your obviously all stuck right in the center of it, you would have to be to know all of this vital information. Or maybe, just maybe, your all listening and taking seriously all of the HIGHSCHOOL rumors that are being spread around by others who don't know exactly what took place or is taking place in this situation. As for Wayne Dupuy leaving Doug Herbert "High and Dry", you can go ahead and stop that rumor in its tracks. Has it ever occured to you that Wayne Dupuy could have not possibly been ready to return working for Doug Herbert as a full time crew chief only a month and a half of recovery time after his accident, and maybe he was pushed into it by, hmmm....i don't know.., Doug Herbert himself? Did anyone ever stop to realize that maybe on countless occasions before the date Wayne Dupuy actually split, that he had tried to tell Doug Herbert that he needed more time to heal? No, no one ever stops to think about these possibilities, they just want to play on the fact that Wayne Dupuy had an accident and may not be right in the head. Well let me assure you, seeing that I have been around these types of situations going on 30 years, that Wayne Dupuy has drag racing in his blood and is not going to let some bump on his head keep him from eventually earning a championship. In my opinion his accident made him realize and act on something he should have some time ago- that Doug Herbert and his team are not going ANYWHERE. The only reason anyone could say that Wayne Dupuy is not right in the head is if he had stayed on Doug Herberts team for one more race. With all of the crooked drama and running around that goes on inside and outside the pit area, it's a wonder why Wayne Dupuy did not leave earlier than he did. As for the theft and warrent issues- it's no surprise. Doug Herbert is obviously upset enough at Wayne Dupuy to find any and everything he can to complicate his life. Wayne Dupuy did not take ANYTHING of Doug Herberts'! You will see soon enough that this case will be thrown in a land fill along with all the other bogus cases. Hopefully Doug Herbert and his "crooked chief" will get smacked in their rear with built up KARMA. Maybe Doug Herbert should place his concern on his home life and any UPCOMING drama that could possibly take place in the near future. Any man who would let their own children be degraded by an oversized Italian meatball deserves to be put on their a**.

Wayne Dupuy- You have the talent man, don't let all of these bull**** comments let you think otherwise. It's in your blood, you were meant to do this. Are you gonna let an overstuffed lizard stop you from accomplishing a goal you have had for 35 years? Keep pushing, let us see who gets the last laugh.

[TF_Racing_Fan]

It's about time people start putting Herbert out there as he really is. If you thought herbert was just a wonderful nice guy, you were fooled. I agree with nhraguardianangel. Wayne and his head are just fine. And good for him getting out of that joke of a top fuel team when he did. And nice to see you working with your brother again.

[Jackee Allen]

You folks kill me. :p

[fuelfan]

Dang Man, if Wayne is so dog gone good why did Vandergriff DNQ at Indy???

He has struggled to qualify since Wayne arrived.

Herbert qualified 11th at Indy, not stellar, but in the field.

I don't care if you are a fan of Wayne's or Doug's or both (as I am). I want to know what happened and what is happening. I am interested in what Wayne is doing now and what Doug is doing now.

I don't really care if Wayne is guilty or innocent, I just want to sort out the facts.

Everybody here who says "he's so good" or he's so bad" just has their own opinion. If you want to voice your opinion that's fine, but please understand that your opinion is the same as a rumor mill unless it is substantiated by fact. So spew off at the mouth if you want to, or step up and tell it like it is by confirming your position with some facts.

[paul romine]

Gawd, This is entertaining. Can't find this stuff on the Matter anymore. It is rainning in Indy today, and I am real board. Thanks Bobby!! Sure is a fun forum!

[Bobby Bennett]

Paul,

I wanted to say Bruce is lucky to have a true friend such as you. Thanks for helping him in a tough time. A class act.

[Uncle Buck]

I could care less about Wayne coming on here to explain himself about the Herby fiasco! I want Wayne to come on here and talk about the good old days with Tony Mac! Come on Wayne - Tell us all the good behind the scenes stuff about Tony Mac. Sure was a beautiful car! Ran like stink too!

Remember all those "gas station owner" guys? Eric Reed, Tony Mac, Maurice DuPont and there was another one too that ran a red fueler. Forget his name.

Good times!

[Western Flyer]

You folks kill me. :p
Two of your favorite people (Doug-BD/BB/SJ) are not the great guys you think they are. I hope it does not hurt to bad when you find out.

[Jackee Allen]

Two of your favorite people (Doug-BD/BB/SJ) are not the great guys you think they are. I hope it does not hurt to bad when you find out.

I've known Doerrer for about 40 years. And I'm well aware of what is going on in Herbert's life. And, I know what happened last Thanksgiving night.

[Kelly]

Doug talks a little about this situation in his Full 1320 interview with Rik Anthony...
http://www.backinthepits.com/2006%20audio/Full%201320-Doug%20Herbert.mp3

[The_Leaker]

DH
"I want the logs that he brought with him when he was hired"

LOL

classic

[anotheridiot]

Nice link, thanks.

Doug sez something, thinks he shouldnt have said it, then backpedals out.

The log always belongs to the team thats how it always has been . (oh sheet, people know I was using Amatos tuneup) But I would be more than happy to give Wayne a copy and keep a copy for myself.

Like I said, both parties deserve to lose in this deal.

[Pat McGill]

And I'm well aware of what is going on in Herbert's life.

What is going on in Herbert's life?;)

[fuelfan]

Sounds like something personal and it doesn't need to be aired here.

[SandBlaster]

I've heard that Wayne stole the clutch box that Herbert paid for, who knows?

[speedPhreak]

Yes, he's in town, helping Jim.
hey, sklooty booty! long time... :p

[Prestaged]

I want to know what happened and what is happening. I am interested in what Wayne is doing now and what Doug is doing now.

Who the hell are you to want all that?

[fuelfan]

I'm your worst nightmare, what do you care?

Who the hell are you that puts a phone number on a public venue?

[Bob Korreck]

I'm your worst nightmare, what do you care?

Who the hell are you that puts a phone number on a public venue?

Fuelfan, this guy is looking for trouble. Here's what I posted. Almost all of his posts are derogatory in nature.

Hey guys, when you get bored click on Rogers (prestaged) profile and then take a look at what he's posted. I think this is a good guy to ignore.

[TF_Racing_Fan]

hey, jackee! so is it true that sonnie herbert and their three kids are on food stamps now that they're separated cuz dougzilla won't give her any money? that's what I heard. perhaps that's a bit personal, but the rumor is out there.
Well Herbert also has a 4 million dollar house. But why are you asking Jackee about Sonnie, If you have a question you should get intouch with Sonnie. And who do you think you are to put that information out there. You are just as bad as Doug. Sonnie and especially her kids do not deserve to be brought into this..

[turbovw]

Dang.... This is getting kinda out there. No matter what you feel about this situation, you shouldn't bring the Herbert family into this. That's not too cool. Personally, if you want to bash Doug or Wayne, fire away. Just leave the rumors or truths (or whatever) about his wife and kids out of this. Just my 2 cents....

[speedPhreak]

Well Herbert also has a 4 million dollar house. But why are you asking Jackee about Sonnie, If you have a question you should get intouch with Sonnie. And who do you think you are to put that information out there. You are just as bad as Doug. Sonnie and especially her kids do not deserve to be brought into this..
well, i certainly didn't start that rumor, and i am definitely not the only one who has heard it. it's all over the place. i didn't accuse anyone of anything or say that it's truth. i simply asked a question. but just to make you happy, tf racing fan, i deleted my post. i'm not in the mood for a pissin' match tonight.

[fuelfan]

Well Herbert also has a 4 million dollar house. But why are you asking Jackee about Sonnie, If you have a question you should get intouch with Sonnie. And who do you think you are to put that information out there. You are just as bad as Doug. Sonnie and especially her kids do not deserve to be brought into this..

Now TF_Racing_Fan needs to delete his post with speedphreak's quote in it.

[512 T/F]

And, I know what happened last Thanksgiving night.
Do tell.......

[all8]

Well Herbert also has a 4 million dollar house.
You talking about the one Yacoobian bought...the one that Herbert is now living in?

[speedPhreak]

You talking about the one Yacoobian bought...the one that Herbert is now living in?
must be the one on lake norman.

[JOE HOLLAS]

Who Knows What Really Happened? Maybe Doug Owed Wayne And Wayne Simply Took What He Was Owed. I Don't Have A Problem With That. When That Christmas Bonus Wasn't Quite As Much As Last Year, You Have To Make Up For It Somewhere. Maybe A Raise Or Bonus Didn't Materialize, So He Gave Himself One. Having A Warant Out Is One Thing, Being Found Guilty Is Another.

[fuelfan]

So did Wayne ever turn himself in as ESPN reported he would?

[Sidewinder]

Its a bad situation for all.. however the accusation is Wayne STOLE something... my "Personal Opinion" is he did not take any "Hard Parts" i.e. heads, pistons, blocks.. etc.. I'm thinking Wayne may have taken computer readouts, or run logs.. Those are tough to come by, & any new team that hired Wayne would sure like it if he (Wayne) had all the info on how Doug's car ran with various set ups at various tracks & weather conditions..

Just MHO

My understanding is computer info, in today's world, more valueable than parts

[SandBlaster]

One of Herbert's crew guys told me at Maple Grove that Dupey removed the entire clutch managment system from the car at Denver BEFORE he called Doug to tell him he was quitting. Dupey had his un-supervised probation from his drunk driving charge last year changed to supervised probation and he can not move out of North Carolina until this matter is settled. If I were Dupey I'd just give Herbert his parts back and be over the whole deal.

[PMFan]

I've known Doerrer for about 40 years. And I'm well aware of what is going on in Herbert's life. And, I know what happened last Thanksgiving night.

Jackee, How do you know what happened on Thanksgiving night?? Were you there??

[Bob Korreck]

Jackee, How do you know what happened on Thanksgiving night?? Were you there?? I was!!

Any chance you can add to this thread and maybe answer some of the questions without getting into the personalities?

[SandBlaster]

Hey Bubba...What do you like to hear your self talk (type?) If you want that kind of gossip buy the Enquirer.

[Nitro1102]

Jackee, How do you know what happened on Thanksgiving night?? Were you there??

I wasn't there, but do know what happened: Drunker than a skunk, got behind the wheel of a mustang, was speeding like an idiot, crashed the car; luckily didn't kill anyone; Wayne survived and suffered some injuries....received a DUI....of course, there's always more to add, but why bother?;)

[Bob Korreck]

Hey Bubba...What do you like to hear your self talk (type?) If you want that kind of gossip buy the Enquirer.

I've heard that Wayne stole the clutch box that Herbert paid for, who knows?

One of Herbert's crew guys told me at Maple Grove that Dupey removed the entire clutch managment system from the car at Denver BEFORE he called Doug to tell him he was quitting. Dupey had his un-supervised probation from his drunk driving charge last year changed to supervised probation and he can not move out of North Carolina until this matter is settled. If I were Dupey I'd just give Herbert his parts back and be over the whole deal.

I think you should be writing for the Enquirer!

[fuelfan]

Is Wayne in Dallas?

[Bob Korreck]

Jackee, How do you know what happened on Thanksgiving night?? Were you there??

Guess he prefers not to answer you. He was in N.J. BS at it's best.

Keep em straight PM. :)

[Jackee Allen]

Guess he prefers not to answer you. He was in N.J. BS at it's best.

Keep em straight PM. :)

Don't know who you'd be advising PM to "keep em straight" there big guy. I make sure I'm always "straight" before posting anything. But I suppose it makes you feel like a big man when you always have to have the last word.

And yes, 'he' prefers not discuss anyone's personal business on a freakin' message board, unlike so many people, who want to turn a drag racing message board into The Star or The Enquirer of cyberspace. DO NOT mistake my lack of response to someone's post as not having an answer. Take it for what it is...my decision not to participate further in the conversation.

And yes, 'he' was in NJ on Thanksgiving night, just as 'he' mentioned. That doesn't mean that 'he' doesn't know what happened.

As I said in an earlier post , I'll defer all the BS to you.

[fuelfan]

So did anyone spot Wayne in Dallas last weekend?

Just wondering...

[speedPhreak]

So did anyone spot Wayne in Dallas last weekend?
Just wondering...
i'm pretty sure i saw him walking through the pit saturday evening. i talked to sklute for a bit but never thought to ask him if wayne was there.

[fuelfan]

Vandergriff is certainly struggling these days

[DanLynch]

Vandergriff is certainly struggling these days

Yeah, but he got that annoying pop up add on NHRA.com for UPS discounts for NHRA members...

[fuelfan]

Yeah, but he got that annoying pop up add on NHRA.com for UPS discounts for NHRA members...

I've never seen that, guess my pop-up blocker works!

[FCHeadguy]

We are struggling because we have an 8 year old car, NOT because of Wayne. As a matter of fact, I was at Murf McKinney's yesterday for our brand new car that we will debute at Richmond.

[512 T/F]

Who Knows What Really Happened? Maybe Doug Owed Wayne And Wayne Simply Took What He Was Owed. I Don't Have A Problem With That. When That Christmas Bonus Wasn't Quite As Much As Last Year, You Have To Make Up For It Somewhere. Maybe A Raise Or Bonus Didn't Materialize, So He Gave Himself One. Having A Warant Out Is One Thing, Being Found Guilty Is Another.
Joe, nice first post. I have to say Im glad you dont work for me if you think its ok to decide to take something of value from an employer if a raise or bonus doesnt materialize or isnt large enough to suit you... wow

[Kingnitro]

Gawd, This is entertaining. Can't find this stuff on the Matter anymore. It is rainning in Indy today, and I am real board. Thanks Bobby!! Sure is a fun forum!

Really....what's a Messageboard unless someone's getting trashed on a daily basis right?:confused:

[Bob Korreck]

Really....what's a Messageboard unless someone's getting trashed on a daily basis right?:confused:

When they gonna put that I in there for you. Maybe I should start a post about it? :D

[PMFan]

Who Knows What Really Happened? Maybe Doug Owed Wayne And Wayne Simply Took What He Was Owed. I Don't Have A Problem With That. When That Christmas Bonus Wasn't Quite As Much As Last Year, You Have To Make Up For It Somewhere. Maybe A Raise Or Bonus Didn't Materialize, So He Gave Himself One. Having A Warant Out Is One Thing, Being Found Guilty Is Another.

Apparently Joe doesn't know that Wayne's wife picked up a full paycheck every week when Wayne was in the hospital among many other things. Doug doesn't owe Wayne anything. Wayne owes Doug everything!!

[Lloyd Christmas]

We are struggling because we have an 8 year old car, NOT because of Wayne. As a matter of fact, I was at Murf McKinney's yesterday for our brand new car that we will debute at Richmond.


Your telling me that you started the year off with a big new sponsor, and a 8 year old car. That's just stupid.

[enraeh]

We are struggling because we have an 8 year old car, NOT because of Wayne. As a matter of fact, I was at Murf McKinney's yesterday for our brand new car that we will debute at Richmond.

Looking on the website...couldn't see any details on the block, heads,blower, etc. What are you running there?

[speedPhreak]

geez, lloyd...tell us how you really feel about it. :p

[KNIGHTRIDER]

Looking on the website...couldn't see any details on the block, heads,blower, etc. What are you running there?
Going to add 3 more gerbil's to the wheel for more consistent times.:D

[FCHeadguy]

Stupid, huh? NO WONDER NONE OF US COME ON THE FORUMS. Our car is a car that is Bobs old car. We were not hired till Jan 3, 06. This deal was signed at the end of that week. We had no choice but to use this car, and lucky enough it was legal with the heat treat rules. You couldnt get a car at that time because of the backorders. So we got the deal going, got to Pomona and made the best of it. Then Bristol comes around. Cory Mac crashes. NHRA now is looking at the way these cars are breaking and the change that needs to be made to these cars in the way they are built. Well, now we cant get a new car till those decisions are made. In the mean time, we are still making the best of it. Just before Indy, Murf has the new procedures for these cars and we ordered one promptly. As I said, I picked it up Tuesday on the way to Reading and we will use it at Richmond. Now before you think we are stupid again, I wont have a front wing till next week, hence the reason we will use the old car this weekend. Everything that is on this car is up to date new stuff, Veney heads, Brad Anderson Blocks, etc.

[Bob Korreck]

Stupid, huh? NO WONDER NONE OF US COME ON THE FORUMS. Our car is a car that is Bobs old car. We were not hired till Jan 3, 06. This deal was signed at the end of that week. We had no choice but to use this car, and lucky enough it was legal with the heat treat rules. You couldnt get a car at that time because of the backorders. So we got the deal going, got to Pomona and made the best of it. Then Bristol comes around. Cory Mac crashes. NHRA now is looking at the way these cars are breaking and the change that needs to be made to these cars in the way they are built. Well, now we cant get a new car till those decisions are made. In the mean time, we are still making the best of it. Just before Indy, Murf has the new procedures for these cars and we ordered one promptly. As I said, I picked it up Tuesday on the way to Reading and we will use it at Richmond. Now before you think we are stupid again, I wont have a front wing till next week, hence the reason we will use the old car this weekend. Everything that is on this car is up to date new stuff, Veney heads, Brad Anderson Blocks, etc.

FC, most of us appreciate you guys. Many of us are racers on a smaller budget. Don't let a few ruin it for you or us.

Good luck.

[FCHeadguy]

I wont. This was a building year for this team and we are making the best of it. I wish I could tell you guys the REAL DEAL with Wayne right now but I have to wait. Wayne is OK, and that is all.

[doubletrouble26]

I wont. This was a building year for this team and we are making the best of it. I wish I could tell you guys the REAL DEAL with Wayne right now but I have to wait. Wayne is OK, and that is all.

FC thanks for being honest with us. I hope the few Jerks around here don't run you off. I wish more Crew guys would come out and get on the board with us. But I see why they don't. I'm glad that Wayne is okay. That's all that matters! :)

[NUT'z]

I wont. This was a building year for this team and we are making the best of it. I wish I could tell you guys the REAL DEAL with Wayne right now but I have to wait. Wayne is OK, and that is all.

Thanks Headguy setting people stright on this board is a chore you go boy
p.s. hows bestbuy in reading

[FCHeadguy]

Not bad, didnt buy anything. Man thats rare.

[NUT'z]

Not bad, didnt buy anything. Man thats rare.


Man that is rare good luck this weekend and with the new car at richmond
tel blower man do what i tell you

[dragnut888]

Thanks for the info headguy. I have been a fan of Bob's since he started fuel. He always has had time to talk to me. Good luck to the team with the new car and to the performances that will come with it. I can't wait for the transition. To Bob and the team, KICK BUTT!:eek:

[enraeh]

FC, most of us appreciate you guys. Many of us are racers on a smaller budget. Don't let a few ruin it for you or us.

Good luck.

What he said times ten. I'm really interested in how these cars work and how the teams do what they do.

[Lloyd Christmas]

Stupid, huh? NO WONDER NONE OF US COME ON THE FORUMS. Our car is a car that is Bobs old car. We were not hired till Jan 3, 06. This deal was signed at the end of that week. We had no choice but to use this car, and lucky enough it was legal with the heat treat rules. You couldnt get a car at that time because of the backorders. So we got the deal going, got to Pomona and made the best of it. Then Bristol comes around. Cory Mac crashes. NHRA now is looking at the way these cars are breaking and the change that needs to be made to these cars in the way they are built. Well, now we cant get a new car till those decisions are made. In the mean time, we are still making the best of it. Just before Indy, Murf has the new procedures for these cars and we ordered one promptly. As I said, I picked it up Tuesday on the way to Reading and we will use it at Richmond. Now before you think we are stupid again, I wont have a front wing till next week, hence the reason we will use the old car this weekend. Everything that is on this car is up to date new stuff, Veney heads, Brad Anderson Blocks, etc.

Sorry about the stupid comment, maybe it's just bad decision your teams part. 8 year old pipe can't be to consistent, can it? Best of luck to your team, hopefully you can turn it around.

[TF_Racing_Fan]

I wasn't there, but do know what happened: Drunker than a skunk, got behind the wheel of a mustang, was speeding like an idiot, crashed the car; luckily didn't kill anyone; Wayne survived and suffered some injuries....received a DUI....of course, there's always more to add, but why bother?;)
GOOD FOR YOU JACK *** YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS... DO YOU WANT US ALL TO CLAP?? It must be nice to be perfect and not have tons of people talking crap about you as if they really know the truth because of herberts lies....

Originally Posted by SandBlaster
One of Herbert's crew guys told me at Maple Grove that Dupey removed the entire clutch managment system from the car at Denver BEFORE he called Doug to tell him he was quitting. Dupey had his un-supervised probation from his drunk driving charge last year changed to supervised probation and he can not move out of North Carolina until this matter is settled. If I were Dupey I'd just give Herbert his parts back and be over the whole deal.


Ok which crew guy were you talking to so we can put some of his personal info on here. And Wayne doesn't have to stay in North Carolina.. "removed the entire clutch managment system" LMAO, whatever dude... You're dumb if you listen to anything any of those guys have to say. TRUST ME.

[Bob Korreck]

tons of people talking crap about you as if they really know the truth because of herberts lies....
dude... You're dumb if you listen to anything any of those guys have to say. TRUST ME.

Hey TF, Wayne is a person of great interest in the racing community. We know a warrent was issued but the story ends there. Did he turn himself in to the police? Were charges dropped? Or did he have to post bond? I could come up with a long list of questions.

Until Wayne informs the racing community of the facts the rumors and false information are going to be posted. Most of us agree with you. The warrent was reported in the news. That's all we know to be a true fact and the rest is speculation and BS.

Most of us also understand that possibly Wayne cannot talk about these issues. We also know that a rumor grows as it's being spread. People have to add their own twist to it. What somebody thinks happened eventually turns into fact via the rumor mill.

I hope he's innocent and that someday the real story is known.

[anotheridiot]

Eventually when the rumors grow big enough the right thing to do is to set everybody straight by telling their side.

Wayne is keeping quiet and Doug is using the media to turn the public opinion side towards him. Whatever he took, it doesnt look like Vandergriff is doing much better so I even wonder if they are using it. Bob has alot of loyal fans that are always pulling for him, I'd hate to see him get caught up in this mess.

As far as crewguy goes, keep at it because you are living a dream alot of people have. Hopefully Wayne wont get too overly involved over there since he went and fired everyone that doug put together over the years. There is no championship team out there that hasnt worked together for years.

[speedPhreak]

TRUST ME.and why would anyone do that?:rolleyes:

[TF_Racing_Fan]

Eventually when the rumors grow big enough the right thing to do is to set everybody straight by telling their side.

Wayne is keeping quiet and Doug is using the media to turn the public opinion side towards him. Whatever he took, it doesnt look like Vandergriff is doing much better so I even wonder if they are using it. Bob has alot of loyal fans that are always pulling for him, I'd hate to see him get caught up in this mess.

As far as crewguy goes, keep at it because you are living a dream alot of people have. Hopefully Wayne wont get too overly involved over there since he went and fired everyone that doug put together over the years. There is no championship team out there that hasnt worked together for years.
What do you think he took that they would use over there??? Wayne doesn't call any shots over there, Jim is in charge. And speaking of crew guys do you know waynes son in law worked for herbert and when wayne left he asked him to stay so herbert wouldn't be short a crew member and he stayed until after memphis. Thats a long time to be around people that are bashing your family 24/7.. Wayne and Herbert were on the same page about who was being fired so.

[speedPhreak]

Wayne and Herbert were on the same page about who was being fired so.so are you saying now that wayne was fired? if so, that's the first time i've heard that version of the story.

[TF_Racing_Fan]

so are you saying now that wayne was fired? if so, that's the first time i've heard that version of the story.
No, I did not say that.

[FCHeadguy]

I guess I can tell you guys some things about Wayne. No. 1, yes he did turn himself in, told his story to the police and was gone in no time. No. 2, Wayne is great to work for, as long as you know what your doing. I have never had any problem with him and neither has anyone else on my team. I know this because we are the same crew that work with him at Joes the last couple years. We like Wayne because he wants to win, period. . If you dont want that, then you WILL have a problem with him. You have to be willing to sacrifice things to do this and some crew guys just dont get it. Wayne will work just as hard or harder beside anyone of us, just to get that edge. And No. 3, the part that is in question is not on our car. We already have one just like it, as it was on Joes car. There. Now our struggling is NOT Wayne, nor Jim. Today, after we lost first round, we started putting together the new car, and believe me, we are just salivating to run this car. Our combo, which is the same we had on Joes car, is so consistent and very strong, but with old pipe,especially with the design of this car, consistency is non existant. Cars are ran so much different today than when this old car was built .

[Bob Korreck]

FC, I wish you guys a lot of good luck and I hope it doesn't take too long to get that car setup and running consistently.

I'm trying to read between the lines of your post. Are you saying that Wayne's ordeal concerning the warrant is over? And if so why has not that been mentioned on NHRA?

[FCHeadguy]

Because it dont belong on NHRA. Some one mentioned that Wayne is keeping quiet because he has already confirmed to the authorities of the situation, not NHRA or any other media. And thats all I can say.

[Bob Korreck]

Because it dont belong on NHRA. Some one mentioned that Wayne is keeping quiet because he has already confirmed to the authorities of the situation, not NHRA or any other media. And thats all I can say.

I agree with you but they were quick to make the announcement of the warrant. Seems to me they should be as quick to say it was unjustified.

[speedPhreak]

I agree with you but they were quick to make the announcement of the warrant. Seems to me they should be as quick to say it was unjustified.HA! don't hold your breath on that one. :rolleyes:

[speedPhreak]

I guess I can tell you guys some things about Wayne. No. 1, yes he did turn himself in, told his story to the police and was gone in no time. No. 2, Wayne is great to work for, as long as you know what your doing. I have never had any problem with him and neither has anyone else on my team. I know this because we are the same crew that work with him at Joes the last couple years. We like Wayne because he wants to win, period. . If you dont want that, then you WILL have a problem with him. You have to be willing to sacrifice things to do this and some crew guys just dont get it. Wayne will work just as hard or harder beside anyone of us, just to get that edge. And No. 3, the part that is in question is not on our car. We already have one just like it, as it was on Joes car. There. Now our struggling is NOT Wayne, nor Jim. Today, after we lost first round, we started putting together the new car, and believe me, we are just salivating to run this car. Our combo, which is the same we had on Joes car, is so consistent and very strong, but with old pipe,especially with the design of this car, consistency is non existant. Cars are ran so much different today than when this old car was built .
thanks, bro, for taking the time to help set the record straight. hope to see more posts from you...and hopefully on a much lighter note. ;)

[Bob Korreck]

HA! don't hold your breath on that one. :rolleyes:

I know. Everyone is out for blood but they don't want anything to do with cleaning it up.

[FCHeadguy]

It never should have been announced. The part in question never did belong to Herbert because it never was paid for. Therefore it got returned to the rightful owner.

[fuelfan]

Let me get this straight, the timing box was taken from Amato and used on Herbert's car. Then when Wayne left Doug's he took the box with him. So is Wayne the rightful owner or is Amato?

Also, if this was so valuable, how come Doug has run like dog doo all year long, regardless of crew chief or timing box??

[FCHeadguy]

The management system isnt that valuable, or top secret. Also, it wasnt taken from Amato. Wayne needed it when he was hired and returned it because it never got paid for. Anyone out here can copy it, it is a very simple and common system. We have the same one.

[fuelfan]

I guess I wonder what the big deal is if the part in question was simple and common and was not Doug's property in the first place as you assert?

[Bob Korreck]

I guess I wonder what the big deal is if the part in question was simple and common and was not Doug's property in the first place as you assert?

If FC is correct, looks like emotions got in the way of good judgement. They need to bury the hatchet and grow up if what FC says is true.

[fuelfan]

I have to think there is more to the story than this...

[Pat McGill]

The management system isnt that valuable, or top secret. Also, it wasnt taken from Amato. Wayne needed it when he was hired and returned it because it never got paid for. Anyone out here can copy it, it is a very simple and common system. We have the same one.

Do you work on the left side of the engine? If so, it was quite impressive watching you disconnect the tow strap while the car was still moving.

[FCHeadguy]

Years of practice.

[Nitro1102]

GOOD FOR YOU JACK *** YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS... DO YOU WANT US ALL TO CLAP?? It must be nice to be perfect and not have tons of people talking crap about you as if they really know the truth because of herberts lies....

Don't get your panties in a wad...you don't need to clap. Someone asked about the facts--they were presented; LIVE with it. If you want to know the truth, I'm not perfect, either.:D

[TF_Racing_Fan]

[QUOTE=TF_Racing_Fan]GOOD FOR YOU JACK *** YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS... DO YOU WANT US ALL TO CLAP?? It must be nice to be perfect and not have tons of people talking crap about you as if they really know the truth because of herberts lies....

Don't get your panties in a wad...you don't need to clap. Someone asked about the facts--they were presented; LIVE with it. If you want to know the truth, I'm not perfect, either.:D

Dude shut up you are ate up with it..

[speedPhreak]

Dude shut up you are ate up with it..with all due respect, bro, if you don't like something somebody posts or don't agree with it or if you think you know more about the topic at hand and feel the need to put someone in their place, why not just send the person a private message instead of being so hateful and rude on the board. calling people names and attacking them personally adds absolutely nothing substantive to the discussion. furthermore, it lessens your credibility. you've barked at just about everyone on this thread for what they've posted, myself included, yet you've dogged herbert until hell won't have it. that's not right. just agree to disagree or even engage in constructive argument if you must. but if you find it impossible to be civil, why not go to the burndown lounge on deepstage and let her rip. that's what those kinds of places are for. let's all do our part to have fun here and get along.

[Bob Korreck]

with all due respect, bro, if you don't like something somebody posts or don't agree with it or if you think you know more about the topic at hand and feel the need to put someone in their place, why not just send the person a private message instead of being so hateful and rude on the board. calling people names and attacking them personally adds absolutely nothing substantive to the discussion. furthermore, it lessens your credibility. you've barked at just about everyone on this thread for what they've posted, myself included, yet you've dogged herbert until hell won't have it. that's not right. just agree to disagree or even engage in constructive argument if you must. but if you find it impossible to be civil, why not go to the burndown lounge on deepstage and let her rip. that's what those kinds of places are for. let's all do our part to have fun here and get along.

I hate to agree with Speed (:) ) but this board is for discussion and news. Many of us have different opinions and we're free to state them.

Disrespect is not an option and does nothing to contribute to the thread.

[fuelfan]

Okay now, getting back on topic, I wondered if Wayne is officially engaged and in what capacity at Vandergriff's team?

[speedPhreak]

I hate to agree with Speed (:) )
lol! you probably wouldn't be alone on that one. :D

[Pat McGill]

Years of practice.

I hear that! Good luck this weekend!

[speedPhreak]

I hear that! Good luck this weekend!
mcgill, if i didn't know any better, i'd say you're turning into a bit of a softy. :eek: :D

[fuelfan]

So who do you think Herbert will hire as a crew chief for 2007?

[racewidow]

He's running out of choices isn't he? He goes thru crew chiefs and crew members pretty fast.

[fuelfan]

maybe so, but he has had some really good ones, remember Dick LaHaie???

[Chuck Rost]

He's running out of choices isn't he? He goes thru crew chiefs and crew members pretty fast.
He must be a hard guy to work for.

[speedPhreak]

He's running out of choices isn't he? He goes thru crew chiefs and crew members pretty fast.i was thinking sorta along the same lines. after this thing with dupuy, would a guy be leery of working as herbert's crew chief?

[Western Flyer]

He's running out of choices isn't he? He goes thru crew chiefs and crew members pretty fast.
How about Bezerko he is still kissing Herbert's a$$.

[NUT'z]

Yall Should go to work for godzilla so you could see what a
Ego driven man that cant drive, psycho, let just list who could not
work for a man who is a great person in his own mind Larry fraiser,
Dick Lahaie, Wes Cerney, Johnny West, ED The Ace, Ron Douglas,
Rob Flynn, Wayne Dupuy,Ron freedman,John Bullard,Andy Brock,Joe Obrian
Nick Langley,most of cruzs people,on and on good luck whoever gives a go

[Western Flyer]

Yall Should go to work for godzilla so you could see what a
Ego driven man that cant drive, psycho, let just list who could not
work for a man who is a great person in his own mind Larry fraiser,
Dick Lahaie, Wes Cerney, Johnny West, ED The Ace, Ron Douglas,
Rob Flynn, Wayne Dupuy,Ron freedman,John Bullard,Andy Brock,Joe Obrian
Nick Langley,most of cruzs people,on and on good luck whoever gives a go
Looked like Cruz's people got the hell out of Herbertville as fast as they could.

[LVLights]

Have we not just about beaten this topic to death? There really is more going on than this. My .02 worth seems to be in agreement with the general subject of this posting.

Who is going to be in Vegas? I am new the board and would like to plan a little get together. I am slowly but surely getting surrounded by NASCAR fans here and want to meet more drag fans. I go to both Vegas races and if business allows misc. other races through out the country. This year I made St. Louis and Gainesville. I also made a Rockingham race. (Spring)

[RAJUNZ]

So this is where all of the Manic Maters have gone....................this thread is out of control, but as Paul Romine stated earlier, it's **** good entertainment.

The funniest part of it all is Not only has Wayne read it all, he even posted in here!;)

I would like to wish Team UPS the best of luck finishing out this season and kicking it in 2007!

[speedPhreak]

I am slowly but surely getting surrounded by NASCAR fans herenascar fans here? who dat? :D

[KNIGHTRIDER]

nascar fans here? who dat? :D
Think he ment Vegas sweetie.:p :D

[Bob Korreck]

Have we not just about beaten this topic to death? There really is more going on than this. My .02 worth seems to be in agreement with the general subject of this posting.

Who is going to be in Vegas? I am new the board and would like to plan a little get together. I am slowly but surely getting surrounded by NASCAR fans here and want to meet more drag fans. I go to both Vegas races and if business allows misc. other races through out the country. This year I made St. Louis and Gainesville. I also made a Rockingham race. (Spring)

Don't look now but this thread covers several topics. I think as long as people keep posting, it's not been beaten to death.

[speedPhreak]

Think he ment Vegas sweetie.:p :D oh! ok. i guess that one went right over my head. :D sorry about that, lvlights! ;)

[jpee]

Who is going to be in Vegas? I am new the board and would like to plan a little get together. I am slowly but surely getting surrounded by NASCAR fans here and want to meet more drag fans.

Re: NASCAR "God Bless Those Who go In Circles... For they Shall be Known as Big Wheels :D

[ol fart]

Don't look now but this thread covers several topics. I think as long as people keep posting, it's not been beaten to death.
And therein lies a problem (in my thinking) with this and other boards. (I am not concerned with "other" boards) I feel it would be MUCH better if off-topics were made into new threads. I have been on other boards (non drag racing) where the moderators have come on as soon as an off topic is posted and said to the poster that he has to create a new thread, and then not allow others to respond to the off topic. I really feel this new forum needs all the threads and posters we can get, in order to make it grow.

[doubletrouble26]

The funniest part of it all is Not only has Wayne read it all, he even posted in here!;)

HUH what is Wayne's screen name?

[CrewGuy]

HUH what is Wayne's screen name?
read the posts......you can tell.

[LUTHER]

This is very entertaining!!!:D :D :D

[Bob Korreck]

And therein lies a problem (in my thinking) with this and other boards. (I am not concerned with "other" boards) I feel it would be MUCH better if off-topics were made into new threads. I have been on other boards (non drag racing) where the moderators have come on as soon as an off topic is posted and said to the poster that he has to create a new thread, and then not allow others to respond to the off topic. I really feel this new forum needs all the threads and posters we can get, in order to make it grow.

I don't think there is a problem and I have been on several boards. Now if you perceive there is a problem perhaps it's with the people that have never posted a new topic and have been a member for over 3 weeks yet only have 14 total posts.

What do you think?

[doubletrouble26]

Well I just went and re read the whole post...I need a beer and some popcorn! :lol

[Bob Korreck]

Well I just went and re read the whole post...I need a beer and some popcorn! :lol

I'll buy. :D

[doubletrouble26]

I'll buy. :D


Okay I'll fly you buy! ;)

[ol fart]

I don't think there is a problem and I have been on several boards. Now if you perceive there is a problem perhaps it's with the people that have never posted a new topic and have been a member for over 3 weeks yet only have 14 total posts.

What do you think?
I think you are absolutely right, and so I'll just skulk back into my corner and leave this nice new board to the half-dozen bloated egos that seem to have taken over and posted much of tthe mindless drivel that will most certainly make this the board to go to....sorry sir

[Bob Korreck]

I think you are absolutely right, and so I'll just skulk back into my corner and leave this nice new board to the half-dozen bloated egos that seem to have taken over and posted much of tthe mindless drivel that will most certainly make this the board to go to....sorry sir

I'm not a sir. You may call me Bob.

It's interesting that you refer to bloated egos. I haven't seen any. What I see is people that have drag racing in common. I see people that like this new forum and enjoy talking to others. Some of us have become acquainted and now correspond via email and PM's.

You say a lot of it is drivel. I call it conversation. I think if people want only hard facts they need to go to team websites and internet magazines. If someone posts some bad info usually someone else will correct it.

Apparently you have taken offense to my post. I was just pointing out that if you're concerned with the growth of this forum maybe you should get more involved. If you think it's all bloated egos and drivel I don't know why you care. :confused:

[speedPhreak]

ok, bubba...take a freakin' chill pill already. :D everyone is entitled to post as little or as often as they want. ol' fart is simply stating his opinion, and he was courteous and respectful about it. i think you're taking his post too personally and, perhaps, missing the point he was making. ;)

[fuelfan]

And I have to agree with the fart. Posting things like "I'll buy" only ads to your master poster numbers and does nothing for the rest of us readers who click on this thread in order to:

1: read something about the topic
2: read something NHRA related
3: read something drag racing related

So therefore posting totally unrelated conversation pertaining to one person should be pm'd and not posted in my opinion. That way we all can read and converse about the topic of the thread.

BTW, I see nothing wrong with anyone starting a thread about any topic they want including who is going to buy and who is going to fly..

[Bob Korreck]

And I have to agree with the fart. Posting things like "I'll buy" only ads to your master poster numbers and does nothing for the rest of us readers who click on this thread in order to:

1: read something about the topic
2: read something NHRA related
3: read something drag racing related

So therefore posting totally unrelated conversation pertaining to one person should be pm'd and not posted in my opinion. That way we all can read and converse about the topic of the thread.

BTW, I see nothing wrong with anyone starting a thread about any topic they want including who is going to buy and who is going to fly..

I simply replied to a post by Doubltrouble. I could care less about poster numbers. I'm on here for conversation. The topic of this thread changed a long time ago, which I think is good.

[Bob Korreck]

ok, bubba...take a freakin' chill pill already. :D everyone is entitled to post as little or as often as they want. ol' fart is simply stating his opinion, and he was courteous and respectful about it. i think you're taking his post too personally and, perhaps, missing the point he was making. ;)

I don't need a chill pill. Simply posted what I thought. Ol fart is entitled to his opinion and so am I. I was also courteous and respectful.

Why do you think I'm taking this personally? I didn't SHOUT, call him an idiot or a dumb azz. And he's certainly entitled to post or not to post. I am in disagreement with him, Fuel Fan and you. :p And I posted that. Doesn't make any of us bad people.

I didn't even get PO'd at fuelfan when he implied I'm just trying to run up my post count. I didn't know we got paid for posting. :D

[techrat_77]

I didn't know we got paid for posting. :D

I have no opinion or inside info in this debate. But if we're getting PAID, then count me in!! *LOL*
:D

[Bob Korreck]

I have no opinion or inside info in this debate. But if we're getting PAID, then count me in!! *LOL*
:D

I'm trying to find out what the pay is! Not really, just building my post count. :D

[COOTER]

I Personaly No All The Details Of Wayne And Doug, I Was There, But Thats There Dill. It Upsets Everybody So Bad That They Don't Know Anything, That They Start Rumors. Thats The Problem Here.both Doug And Wayne Are Good People,but You Can't Let The Problem Take Care Of Itself. You Would Rather Get On The Internet, And Talk Trash About Stuff You Have No Clue About. If Anybody Needs To Know More, Why Don't You Call Doug Or Wayne And Ask. That Would Be To Easy.

[Plain Vanilla]

Ever notice how rained out races make stuff "grow"?:) Any way, I am confused. Is the new UPS car going to be ready for this race or is it still waiting on a front wing???????????:confused:

[Bob Korreck]

I Personaly No All The Details Of Wayne And Doug, I Was There, But Thats There Dill. It Upsets Everybody So Bad That They Don't Know Anything, That They Start Rumors. Thats The Problem Here.both Doug And Wayne Are Good People,but You Can't Let The Problem Take Care Of Itself. You Would Rather Get On The Internet, And Talk Trash About Stuff You Have No Clue About. If Anybody Needs To Know More, Why Don't You Call Doug Or Wayne And Ask. That Would Be To Easy.

You're addressing a very small amount of the posts in this thread. Don't say it "upsets everybody".

Ya wanna know who started it? NHRA! They never should have announced it.

[RAJUNZ]

You're addressing a very small amount of the posts in this thread. Don't say it "upsets everybody".

Ya wanna know who started it? NHRA! They never should have announced it.NHRA didn't announce it, ESPN did. Just like the Gena Snow dealio, NHRA hasn't come close to touching that thing, ESPN was all over it though.

[Bob Korreck]

NHRA didn't announce it, ESPN did. Just like the Gena Snow dealio, NHRA hasn't come close to touching that thing, ESPN was all over it though.

Good point. My apologies to NHRA. I thought Dunn worked for NHRA.:confused:

[FCHeadguy]

The car is here and race ready

[Bob Korreck]

The car is here and race ready

Good luck to you guys. Weather is supposed to be cool.

[ol fart]

OK Bob, lets start all over.
My mistake was quoting you to start my post, when, in fact, I was not really addressing my remarks to you alone, and it probably seemed like I was finding fault with you. I wasn't.
My observations were meant only as a possible way of growing and making this a better and more poster friendly place.
The mater of two or three years ago, was fun and there were a LOT of posters (many of them quite good) However, that is long gone, and what it became in the past couple of years and of course what it is now simply leads me to say R.I.P.
That being said, please go back and read my post again and see if there may not be some merit to what I said. Thanx, from just another drag racing fanatic.

[Bob Korreck]

OK Bob, lets start all over.
My mistake was quoting you to start my post, when, in fact, I was not really addressing my remarks to you alone, and it probably seemed like I was finding fault with you. I wasn't.
My observations were meant only as a possible way of growing and making this a better and more poster friendly place.
The mater of two or three years ago, was fun and there were a LOT of posters (many of them quite good) However, that is long gone, and what it became in the past couple of years and of course what it is now simply leads me to say R.I.P.
That being said, please go back and read my post again and see if there may not be some merit to what I said. Thanx, from just another drag racing fanatic.

And therein lies a problem (in my thinking) with this and other boards. (I am not concerned with "other" boards) I feel it would be MUCH better if off-topics were made into new threads. I have been on other boards (non drag racing) where the moderators have come on as soon as an off topic is posted and said to the poster that he has to create a new thread, and then not allow others to respond to the off topic. I really feel this new forum needs all the threads and posters we can get, in order to make it grow.

I did not think that your post was to me, but it was addressing what I said. You have a different opinion. No big deal. I replied with my opinion.

I disagree with your off topic remark. "if off-topics were made into new threads". I do agree with "needs all the threads and posters we can get".

Now I hate to tell you this but I got ya. :D If this conversation isn't off topic I don't know what is. :)

[speedPhreak]

ok. i put up a post shortly after bubba's wishing fcheadguy and his team good luck and asked him to say hi to scott french for me. why did that get deleted???:confused:

[ol fart]

You're right, you got me.
I actually considered a new thread after I made my original "off topic" post, but then figured I already said what I wanted, so why say it again.

[Bob Korreck]

ok. i put up a post shortly after bubba's wishing fcheadguy and his team good luck and asked him to say hi to scott french for me. why did that get deleted???:confused:

I don't think it was. Maybe a software glitch? What reason could there be?

Lets try and figure this out. Sober? Typed a PM and not a post? Forgot to hit the submit button? :D :D

Re-post and see what happens.

Hi Speed. ;)

[Bob Korreck]

You're right, you got me.
I actually considered a new thread after I made my original "off topic" post, but then figured I already said what I wanted, so why say it again.

This thread went way off into never land a long time ago. I think on a initial post it should be topic related but as it rambles on who cares.

For me this is all about communicating and of course learning. And it appears to me that for the most part everyone is happy.

And I want to say thanks for letting me explain. You're OK in my book. You just need to post more. :D

[speedPhreak]

actually, the more i thought about it, i very well could have clicked on the preview button instead of the submit button. i was doing about four different things at the same time i was writing that post, so anything is possible. i tell ya...this whole being stressed-out gig is waaaaay overrated if you ask me. so kids...do not try this at home! :D

[T.Smith]

The car is here and race ready
Good luck with the new pipe.

[Plain Vanilla]

The car is here and race ready
Thanks FC. Just out of curiousity, any idea how many runs(ballpark) on the 8yr old car?:confused:

[FCHeadguy]

Not sure from the years before us. It had been front and back hafted at least once that we know of but the biggest thing is it is an old design. Now we got this one and the last few races will give us a head start for next year. The old car would throw us a bone every now and then and run good, then the next run it wouldnt. Today with these tires and the way werun these motors and clutches, you need a more flexable and consistent car.

[fuelfan]

this is interesting...

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DUPUY'S RETURN GIG?
Written by CompetitionPlus
Saturday, 14 October 2006


The rumor circulating Virginia Motorsports Park is that Funny Car driver Frankie Pedregon has acquired enough backng to compete in Las Vegas and Pomona. He is reportedly planning to drive the flopper he purchased from John Lawson. What is not widely known is that Wayne Dupuy will be the tuner.

[fuelfan]

I hope they can race next year too, seems like Frank did this last year with Toyo Tires for a couple of races, then announced he be back this season and it didn't quite work out that way. I wish Frank and Wayne the best!

[anotheridiot]

How much had to do with Frankie reaching an agreememt with dupuy and how much just wanted waynes legal problems as far away from the ups sponsorship as possible? I'm sorry but these are two guys that of they put their heads together might have as much sense as one regular guy. What was the last funny car wayne worked on? ask the great alan johnson, its a different animal than a dragster. Hope they get enough goodyears for all the tire smoke we are gonna see.

[sklooty]

how much just wanted waynes legal problems as far away from the ups sponsorship as possible? I'm sorry but these are two guys that of they put their heads together might have as much sense as one regular guy.


We'll see where Wayne can get the car to in 2 races. Wayno needs to be in charge. As you'll learn, there are no legal issues that he's dealing with. Nothing bad behind him with his brother at Vandergriff's. It truely is a shame that folks like you need to bash others. Ever tune a fuel car? most people have more respect than to insult others. Oh, I see that the name you've chosen is appropriate.

[fordracer603]

How much had to do with Frankie reaching an agreememt with dupuy and how much just wanted waynes legal problems as far away from the ups sponsorship as possible? I'm sorry but these are two guys that of they put their heads together might have as much sense as one regular guy. What was the last funny car wayne worked on? ask the great alan johnson, its a different animal than a dragster. Hope they get enough goodyears for all the tire smoke we are gonna see.
actually deputy tuned phil burkhart to a win in FC and has been dubbed by force as the next austin coil

[CH3NO2]

Whatever the case may end up being, I hope Wayne has been able to get himself together and hopefully they'll make enough progress in these last two races to hit the ground running next year. Though it's not likely we'll ever see all three of the Pedregons running together, it would still be good to see them all out there being competitive.

I'm looking forward to that whole unfortunate situation with Wayne and Doug being fully addressed, closed, and left in the past. I'd like to see them both just get back to racing and hopefully be competitive in their respective endeavors.

[anotheridiot]

Ever tune a fuel car? most people have more respect than to insult others. Oh, I see that the name you've chosen is appropriate.

I tuned nostalgia top fuel, yeah its a different animal when you dont have a computer to program to make your run and exhaust temperatures to read and chips to adjust lead in your ignition system. Fuel is fuel.

Where dont you see a problem.

"Doug, I'm not right in the head, I need some time off."

Doug, "OK Wayne go home"

Two weeks later, where are dougs parts and what is wayne doing in vandergriffs pit if he needed time off to get his head straight?

We dont need this BS in NHRA as far as a back seat we are in to nascar right now. just good positive press. the man has a record of sticky fingers, if amato wasnt run out of the sport, he would have a few things to say too.

As far as my name, the first step is admitting you are an idiot, then you can see the whole world in a real light.

[fuelfan]

Hey Hey!

It's getting good again!!

There is a reason this is the most widely read topic on this board, for every one of us who believes one side there is someone who believes the opposite side is true.

[FCHeadguy]

The last funny car Wayne worked on was Johnny Grays, and it ran very well. Now for the statement on Wayne and our car. Wayne was helping us with our clutch after we lost our clutch guy. He did that and then moved on to Franks. Wayne has been offered many jobs tuning funny cars over these last couple years and he is very good. And what Sklooty said, he knows Wayne on a very personal level as I do, and trust me, Wayne is just fine.

[sld72382]

just good positive press. the man has a record of sticky fingers, if Amato wasn't run out of the sport, he would have a few things to say too.

I thought Amato quit because he didn't want to deal with being an owner anymore? :confused:

[FCHeadguy]

Amato quit on his own, and it certainly wasnt because he was run out of the sport. I worked for him the last couple of years and he was great to work for. As far as him saying anything about this situation, he is very much behind Wayne.

[fuelfan]

Las Vegas facts, no opinion:

Top Fuel Qualifying:

1. Tony Schumacher 4.445 333.08
2. Brandon Bernstein 4.522 331.61
3. J.R. Todd 4.526 320.89
4. Hillary Will 4.527 327.11
5. Doug Kalitta 4.530 329.18
6. Cory McClenathan 4.536 329.10
7. Melanie Troxel 4.558 329.42
8. Doug Herbert 4.564 324.28
9. David Grubnic 4.570 327.19
10. Rod Fuller 4.571 327.66
11. Steve Torrence 4.583 326.56
12. Bob Vandergriff 4.583 325.37
13. Alan Bradshaw 4.584 326.24
14. Larry Dixon 4.587 329.42
15. David Baca 4.597 322.42
16. Mike Strasburg 4.628 326.56
--------- Not Qualified ---------
17. Morgan Lucas 4.632 296.70
18. Joe Hartley 4.633 327.82
19. Clay Millican 4.689 311.05
20. Scott Palmer 4.831 247.29
21. Steven Chrisman 4.919 297.88
22. Rob Passey 10.246 81.67

In Fuel Funny Car:
22. Frank Pedregon 6.099 149.45

I think this speaks volumes about the people mentioned in this thread. No matter what your opinion, this is who is getting the job done and who isn't.

[fordracer603]

Las Vegas facts, no opinion:

Top Fuel Qualifying:

1. Tony Schumacher 4.445 333.08
2. Brandon Bernstein 4.522 331.61
3. J.R. Todd 4.526 320.89
4. Hillary Will 4.527 327.11
5. Doug Kalitta 4.530 329.18
6. Cory McClenathan 4.536 329.10
7. Melanie Troxel 4.558 329.42
8. Doug Herbert 4.564 324.28
9. David Grubnic 4.570 327.19
10. Rod Fuller 4.571 327.66
11. Steve Torrence 4.583 326.56
12. Bob Vandergriff 4.583 325.37
13. Alan Bradshaw 4.584 326.24
14. Larry Dixon 4.587 329.42
15. David Baca 4.597 322.42
16. Mike Strasburg 4.628 326.56
--------- Not Qualified ---------
17. Morgan Lucas 4.632 296.70
18. Joe Hartley 4.633 327.82
19. Clay Millican 4.689 311.05
20. Scott Palmer 4.831 247.29
21. Steven Chrisman 4.919 297.88
22. Rob Passey 10.246 81.67

In Fuel Funny Car:
22. Frank Pedregon 6.099 149.45

I think this speaks volumes about the people mentioned in this thread. No matter what your opinion, this is who is getting the job done and who isn't.


LOL noob

herbert has doug cook and in case you dont remmber he did quite well tuning foley at vegas last year deputy has not tuned a fc in quite a while.

(hmmmm by the way what is gonna happen to foley)

ps herbert has been racing for years and he has 8 wins... deputy has at least 5 wins and he has been tuning in have as much time.

[racewidow]

So is Doug Cook there now or is John Smith? Doug has been trying to get Jimmy Walsh for next year too. If that be the case I don't see Doug Cook or John Smith being there. I would hope that Jimmy is smarter then to go back with Herbert.

[CH3NO2]

Hope that doesn't happen...it would suck to see rising stars with as much promise as J.R Todd and Steve Torrence lose the great tuning Jimmy Walsh has given them this year.

[fuelfan]

I would guess it's all about the cash...

[FireEmUp!]

Doug Herbert runs his world like a til of hun natzo fascist. Anyone that has
worked around there will tell You that. Wayne Dupuy fell onto a hard situation
and should be cut some slack.....do You all agree ? What is Your candid
" bring it to the line opinion " ?

[FireEmUp!]

This P R is breaking the T and E ( travel and entertainment ) budget
with his gorging on the delicasies....You agree ? You are in P R and
look like Your candidate for the next informercial or what ?

[anotheridiot]

Look, all I am aggrivated with is not getting the story. Thats what nhra does. Whatever happened with the Russell / Goodyear suit? Was the wing tubing undersized to save weight? Those are all questions that were never answered to me about waynes hand in the crash. I guess that will always make me think twice about anything concerning wayne.

Why publicise the events of the split, but then shut up when it comes to just telling us what really happened. If its none of our business because the nhra would fold if either doug or wayne were out of the sport, then I guess it is important enough not to discuss. Nhra should make a statement, not just us watching wayne hopping around between teams and figuring that it must all be alright since they are letting wayne work. I think we are all pretty sure that doug will never really be a title contendor, when the whole crew is in place he finds a way to screw up with his temper.

[FCHeadguy]

Go back to my previous post's. I told you the story and that is all there is to it. The lawyers have already handled the case and found there was no case. IT IS NOT NHRA's RESPONSIBILTY TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They dont want anything to do with it. This was between Doug and Wayne. And fordracer, Wayne has been tuning since the 80's, get your facts straight, because he has been racing fuel cars twice as long as Doug. I have worked with Wayne and have known Wayne for a long time, trust me he is not bad to work for. You had better be ready to commit yourself to working hard or go home.

[FCHeadguy]

And another thing, what does the wing strut thickness have ANYTHING to do with Darrells accident? A tire failed, after that there is no control on what can happen next. Undersized or even oversized tubing would not have mattered. The tire destroyed the roll cage, the strongest part of the car. That is why we have titanium shields there now. Please quit trying to find fault with Wayne on this matter. Darrell was a good friend.

[FCHeadguy]

Espn was the people that broke the story on the situation, via Herbert. Not Nhra.

[nitrobrainfried]

I guess if Dupuy has been doing this twice as long as Herbert than that makes him twice the loser. The word I heard was Dupuy is a hard working guy, but not to smart. Can't figure out the new tires. But we don't have to guess about that. We can just watch the teams he is helping with. If he can get ever get a car down the track he will have a job. Go back 20 years and you will see he doesn't stay anywhere too long. But all the traffic here about Herbert and turnover. If you aren't in the top 5 you better get some turnover. I think that is the rule of thumb in everything, racing, football, baseball, and sales, results or change. Win you stay, lose you go. And you say Hernert has a temper?? Who did NHRA make she a shrink and take anger management? Wasn't Herbert!

[Bob Korreck]

Espn was the people that broke the story on the situation, via Herbert. Not Nhra.

Hey FC, I just noticed you said "via Herbert". Are you saying that somehow DH got ESPN to break the news? If that's what you're saying how did he do that? I'm not trying to critique your every word but I am curious.

[CH3NO2]

Perhaps he means that DH made the ESPN announcers aware of the situation, hence them mentioning it on the broadcast way back when?
Oh well. In any case, it seems to be of no consequence now.

FCHeadguy, you guys weren't too shabby today :D (I know you probably wanted more out of it). Do you work the left side? I was watching you guys today. Maybe some of us will get a chance to say "hey" to you.

I wish you, Bob, and the guys the best this weekend.

[FCHeadguy]

Yeah I work on the left side. Had a hole out at the hit and picked it up. Then lost the belt. Put in some extra hours and I think we found the gremlin. We will know tomorrow.

[CH3NO2]

Good deal, glad you're pretty sure you found the problem. I'll come check you guys out in the pits again tomorrrow. Thanks for sharing.

[anotheridiot]

And another thing, what does the wing strut thickness have ANYTHING to do with Darrells accident? A tire failed, after that there is no control on what can happen next. Undersized or even oversized tubing would not have mattered. The tire destroyed the roll cage, the strongest part of the car. That is why we have titanium shields there now. Please quit trying to find fault with Wayne on this matter. Darrell was a good friend.

wait, what?

the tubing of the wing upright was sheared off. It was the upright from the wing structure went through the base of Darrells skull. I had to do a bunch of digging since nhra never released that part of it. Thats what the cover is about, to keep the wing upright from spearing drivers. the tire had nothing to do with the roll cage, it took out the wing it was the tube that killed him.

It seems like you got a different story.

[FCHeadguy]

I worked on that car, I know.

[FCHeadguy]

And your right about the strut hitting Darrell but so did the tire. That strut could have been an 1/8 thick and it would not have mattered, it still would have broke. The tire did a whole lot of damage to the roll cage, and Darrells helmet. You could see the black marks all over it.

[anotheridiot]

I'm pretty sure I read the story from the St Louis dispatch or some local paper. That was the fatal blow, I just wanted to make sure that was clear. Tire hitting a helmet of that caliber would probably just gotten him a real bad headache.

And dont get me wrong about blaming wayne for that, I am just stating that he has left unanswered questions everywhere he has been. I still think there was a reason that Amato left the sport all together after being so involved all the years. you never retire from still being a fan.

[FireEmUp!]

The fueler essentially became a shrapnel ( sp?) with effected parts
penetrating the helmet and upper body.....thus now We have the
titantium protection on the back of the roll cage protecting the driver
upper body from rear injuries......

Does anyone know the status of the lawsuit between Darrell Russell's estate versus GoodYear ?

[Bob Korreck]

wait, what?

the tubing of the wing upright was sheared off. It was the upright from the wing structure went through the base of Darrells skull. I had to do a bunch of digging since nhra never released that part of it. Thats what the cover is about, to keep the wing upright from spearing drivers. the tire had nothing to do with the roll cage, it took out the wing it was the tube that killed him.

It seems like you got a different story.

I wish I hadn't read that Idiot. Not being critical. It just puts more vivid pictures in my mind that I don't need there. In some ways it seems like that happened yesterday and in other ways seems like 10 ys.

[edcmat-l1]

I wish I hadn't read that Idiot. Not being critical. It just puts more vivid pictures in my mind that I don't need there. In some ways it seems like that happened yesterday and in other ways seems like 10 ys.
Yep..., coulda dun without the visual........:(

[anotheridiot]

Sorry, I just thought that we were a little upset about never getting the behind the scenes real stories. Seems the nhra sugarcoats everything to us. I wont go any deeper than to say that Tony Shumacher was quoted as saying that the tires are not gonna hold up to the kind of down force they are throwing at them. So tube size material or wing angle that they were running were both crew chief calls. That was the point I was trying to make about wayne leaving controversey wherever he goes. Again, sorry about letting the truth out.

[Bob Korreck]

Sorry, I just thought that we were a little upset about never getting the behind the scenes real stories. Seems the nhra sugarcoats everything to us. I wont go any deeper than to say that Tony Shumacher was quoted as saying that the tires are not gonna hold up to the kind of down force they are throwing at them. So tube size material or wing angle that they were running were both crew chief calls. That was the point I was trying to make about wayne leaving controversey wherever he goes. Again, sorry about letting the truth out.

Nah, you're right. I never thought of it that way. We bitch because we never get the facts. You presented the facts. That's the way it should be. I would much rather know what happened and just deal with it.

I do wish you would change your ID. I hate calling you Idiot. :D :D

[ubtheone]

At the Finals, Wayne is at Frank Pedregon's FC, unfortuanelty ending at #22 position.

[nitrobrainfried]

Will that be FP's fault, not Waynes. Frank probably made him tune the FC before he was ready and made him take the money. At least Frank won't have to worry about missing parts. Most of the parts he had was left on the track Thursday and Friday.

[Epping]

OUCH, way to call it as you see it.

[doubletrouble26]

I still think there was a reason that Amato left the sport all together after being so involved all the years. you never retire from still being a fan.


Being a friend of Amato I know he's still a fan. However being part of NHRA for so long as he has he needs a BREAK. He feels like it was his time to step away. He wants to live his life. You are looking way to deep into a situation.

[anotheridiot]

I probably am, I just remember when they were in englishtown (I think) and they called to check up on Amato. I just thought he would make his home town track. Maybe he still is a fan and has to stay away for the itch to stay away.

[FCHeadguy]

Joe was at Vegas, he stopped by to visit us. We still stay in touch. Great guy to work for, but he is enjoying retirement and traveling all over the world.

[doubletrouble26]

Joe was at Vegas, he stopped by to visit us. We still stay in touch. Great guy to work for, but he is enjoying retirement and traveling all over the world.


EXACTLY.....He is trying to make it out to a couple races a year. Kind of funny that Gere always goes to Vegas and that was the one race he made it out too! :lol But anyway....He's just really enjoying his own life right now.

[fuelfan]

This is really sad...

DUPUY AND CRUZ PEDREGON
Written by CompetitionPlus
Monday, 20 November 2006
A source has confirmed that a union between Cruz Pedregon and tuner Wayne Dupuy is likely to be announced soon. Dupuy recently tuned Frank Pedregon at the final two NHRA events of 2006.

I'd bet Cruz drops even further down in the rankings next year...

[gary4205]

What a mess.

[Nitro1102]

The teams are getting fewer and fewer to choose from......

[racewidow]

So does any one know where Ron Douglas is going?

[Bob Korreck]

So does any one know where Ron Douglas is going?
Don't have a clue. What's the latest on your end? Was that deal with Wayne dropped?

[DEE3825]

As I was sitting in my local bar with my friends shooting pool and watching football I couldn't help but remember the scene one year ago on Thanksgiving.
Last year after having turkey dinner at 3:00 pm with 5 other friends in the 65 degree sunshine of North Carolina we decided to kick back in the driveway and have a few beers. No one was out to get plastered, just sitting around shooting the s**t. Sitting outside at 4pm Three of the guys were drinking Bud light, the girl wine coolers and Wayne had Coors ligh, after a few beers, at 6:00 PM We decide to venture over to the local bar to shoot pool. Now I mentioned 5 other people and what each was drinking, I DO NOT DRINK! I had at that point 11 years of Sobriety. I was the designated driver that night. We shot pool we had some snacks we watched some football, and at some point we decided to venture to another bar that had dancing. The other bar was about a 45 min drive, we arrived there shortly before 9pm. At the second bar they only sell beer and wine, you must bring your own liquor which we did not do. No hard alcohol was consumed by anyone in my group that night. We danced they had a few beers, and at about 10pm I was tired and we left for the drive home. We arrived at the house shortly after 11:00 PM everyone was given the opportunity to have me drive them home including Wayne. He declined, he walked up and down a flight of stairs without a stumble he walked a circle for me thru the house, and he swore he was ok to drive. If i could go back knowing now what happened I would have demanded the keys. I counted 12 Coors lights in 7 hours. So imagine my surprise when I got the call the next morning that he crashed. now I dont know what happened but I can piece together that he left me around 11 and the crash happened at around 1:30 the drive from the house where we were should have taken 15 - 20 minutes I DONT KNOW WHERE HE WENT OR WHAT HE DID HE TOLD US HE WAS GOING HOME. I have heard all the speculation and all the rumors surrounding his accident, Only 1 person really knows what happened whether he drank more after leaving us, or he missed his turn at the split and over corrected and lost control. I cant answer that, what I can state with absolute certainty is that Wayne was responsible for saying no to me driving him home. And I can only speculate what last year's race season would have been like if he had just taken a ride home.
I hope this helps set the record straight.

[Serial Thriller]

Helluva 1st post Dee. Welcome aboard.

[Bob Korreck]

Dee, congrats on the 11 yrs. Must be 12 yrs now. When I asked racewidow about Wayne it wasn't about the accident.

Supposedly charges were filed and Wayne was accused of theft. Note I said supposedly. I was wondering if the charges had been dropped.

We can all say what if, so don't let that bother you about the accident. We are all responsible for our own actions. I'm a drinker. I think I average 1/2 of a 7 & 7 a year. Can't remember if this is the year I'm supposed to have one or not. :D

[fuelfan]

I wonder how Wayne is still so desired given his recent race record. What did Cruz see? Wayne tuned his brother to two straight dnq's, was close to the same record with the UPS car while he was there "helping his brother", and Herbert was struggling to qualify or make it past the 1st round earlier this year.

I am not sure how Cruz expects to be a top 5 or even a top 10 car next year.

[Bob Korreck]

I wonder how Wayne is still so desired given his recent race record. What did Cruz see? Wayne tuned his brother to two straight dnq's, was close to the same record with the UPS car while he was there "helping his brother", and Herbert was struggling to qualify or make it past the 1st round earlier this year.

I am not sure how Cruz expects to be a top 5 or even a top 10 car next year.
I think Wayne did a good job last year with Doug. All the problems have arisen since the accident. I think Doug hurried him to get back to work or maybe Wayne pushed himself too hard.

This year may be a different story and I'm sure Cruz would not have hired him if he didn't think he could do the job. He's had a year to heal and to get feeling better.

[fuelfan]

I guess that's my point, what does Cruz see that we don't?

Before the accident I agree, Wayne was on top of his game, since then however, I have not seen any signs of the brilliance that once was...

[Bob Korreck]

I guess that's my point, what does Cruz see that we don't?

Before the accident I agree, Wayne was on top of his game, since then however, I have not seen any signs of the brilliance that once was...
I guess we would have to be privy to their conversations.

[FORD MAN]

Rome was not built in day!The man cant just step in and set the world afar so to speak.2 or 3 races is not enough time to get the team, car,driver,and tuner on the same page.

[nitrobrainfried]

Was it the accident or was it the tire change causing Wayne's problems? Wayne could never build Rome unless it could be done in 2 years and somebody gave him the blue prints. Look back 20 years and you will see what the real problem is. The last time he stayed anyplace for 3 years it was the 9th grade. He takes no responsibility and is not a team player. He works hard, he can fix a broken car, he can even tune a car that is already set up, but when he needs to figure something out all he can do is wander around the pits and ask everybody else what they are doing. If he gets lucky or if somebody helps him, he will get Cruz's car down the track. (until NHRA throws him a new curve, then he will be lost again) It will also be interesting to see how well he gets along with Cruz. If they run good, Wayne will be happy. If they run bad, the finger pointing will start along with the temper tantrums. And hopefully this year he spent Thanksgiving with his wife and children. Talk about priority issues!

[anotheridiot]

The last time he stayed anyplace for 3 years it was the 9th grade. He takes no responsibility and is not a team player

:D

Thats funny.

The little information that was leaked from Doug was that wayne didnt like any of his crew members and most were replaced while wayne took over responsibilities of others that were eliminated. That was his first mistake in his first full start of a season with doug. If he does the same to the bologna eating cruz crew from the last few years, he will struggle out the gate again.

Wayne would probably still have the same opportunity to run with Cruz if he took the year off, healed mind and body and returned fresh.

[racewidow]

Wayne has never liked any of the crew members when he steps into a new situation. He always goes in and makes that change. When Wayne was with Doug he forgot if it hadn't been for those crew members he wouldn't have had a car ready. Those guys took care of Wayne whether he admits it or not. His stupidity and recklessness hurt alot of people not just himself.

[James Maxwell]

[QUOTE=COOTER]I Personaly No All The Details...

Yer English Teacher would be so proud! :D

[nitrobrainfried]

I think everybody understood what he was saying and besides you I don't think there are many English teachers on this site. Maybe you can run spell check on every entry and get back to us on your findings. Better yet, go to a Creative Writing site and tell the other geniuses that there are a bunch of no spelling racers over here making double and triple the salary of the tie wearing correct spelling experts.

[James Maxwell]

I think everybody understood what he was saying and besides you I don't think there are many English teachers on this site. Maybe you can run spell check on every entry and get back to us on your findings. Better yet, go to a Creative Writing site and tell the other geniuses that there are a bunch of no spelling racers over here making double and triple the salary of the tie wearing correct spelling experts.

A Critic?

He
s the one that slammed everyone on here as "bench racers" who could win a championship hands down." That's the critic.
Well let's just hope these spellers aren't the ones sending off proposals to the corporate world...

Triple?

Well hey, good for you then.

[fuelfan]

It looks as though a couple of us may be off topic a bit.

How do we feel that Doug Herbert will do in 2007, or more specifically how will Mr Kuch do as a crew cheif???

[nitrobrainfried]

You are right, but actually I thought the topic on this thread was Wayne Dupuy. As to how Herbert will do I think it is anybodies guess. Certainly better than he did this year with Wayne, maybe the bottom side of the top 10. I don't think the Army team will lose any sleep pondering what they might be up to. Back to the topic. How do you think Cruz will do? I'll really take a risk and say that Cruz will DNQ at least 3 events by the half way mark and also miss the Top 10 or barely catch the high side again. I don't think either team has the resources for the Top 5 next year.

[Bob Korreck]

A Critic?

He
s the one that slammed everyone on here as "bench racers" who could win a championship hands down." That's the critic.
Well let's just hope these spellers aren't the ones sending off proposals to the corporate world...

Triple?

Well hey, good for you then.

How did I miss all of this? Tell em like it is James. You have a PM.

[fuelfan]

How do you think Cruz will do? I'll really take a risk and say that Cruz will DNQ at least 3 events by the half way mark and also miss the Top 10 or barely catch the high side again. I don't think either team has the resources for the Top 5 next year.

I actually think you might be optomistic with 3 dnq's. I don't see Cruz in the top ten at any point next year.

Do you think Tony has a substantially different sponsorship package than his big brother? He has been in the hunt during 2006.

[James Maxwell]

Let's all agree nitro racing is a tough nut to crack, no matter hom much money is spent (or thrown away).

The combo of talent and the right parts, plus a bit of luck is needed huh?

[nitrobrainfried]

I agree Tony has run better than Cruz all year, but I don't know a what point I considered Tony "in the hunt". I think next year he will continue to run better than Cruz because they will have less change going on. I think in TF and FC the Top spots are going to be the big dollar teams with owners with deep pockets. I hope I am wrong. I would love to see a an underdog team win either series. It could all change in 2007 after 3 races. We will see if anybody got smarter over the winter. Anything is possible, that is why they run the races.

[James Maxwell]

Good post 'fried! One thing, once Pomona 2007 rolls around it's an all new game. Past wins will not matter, every one will be the same, ZERO points and a full season ahead to make a run to the title. First round at the "Big Go West" will be exciting!!!:D

And about Pomona, it seems history has shown there's been a good number of "surprise" winners there, the Winternationals that is, as when the season opens up, with the new combos and parts, the possibility is there for anyone to win! As the season goes on, it seems like certain cars take off and run with it, for whatever reason (besides all the money spent on testing etc.) --- it would not be possible to do, but do you think it would be very interesting if there could be a true list of the Top 10 teams, Pro categories, their budgets that is, actual money spent, and then line it up with where there placed in Top Ten points.

Would it be a simple "who spent the most money won" deal or ?????

[nitrobrainfried]

What you are saying is similar to baseball and football, salary caps etc. I am sure the owners would fight it. I would not disclose the info unless made to. If they did disclose the list, it may not hit exactly in order but you would see a trend. You would also see Alan Johnson makes more than the entire crew of teams 6th place and lower, and he is worth every cent. There just seems like there should be more guys that can figure it out. It isn't just about more parts and better parts. It's about parts and smarts. And if you are smart enough to be a Top 5 tuner you are smart enough to know how much you can earn. There just are not 20 people in the world yet who know what the top tuners know.