Bazemore - Now what?

[fuelfan]

According to todays news, if Beckman does good in testing today he'll be driving the Matco tools car beginning in Reading. The story right below it says that no decision has been made. So is the Reading deal a rumor or fact? If fact, what does Bazemore do the rest of this year and next year???

[Gary Jacobson]

That whole deal Is crazy.

[CrewGuy]

Whit's a better man than me. I'll be darned if I would train my replacement. There has to be more to this story. I talked to Whit about his future plans @ Indy. He said there were a couple of F/C rides he was looking at and he also was looking at the Power's ride.

[fuelfan]

I thought he was moving to Oregon, maybe he's hoping for a west coast team

[Bobby Bennett]

Saturday's news was fact. We followed up today with more news. The Reading thing will be contingent on this testing.

[Jackee Allen]

I feel sorry for Whit. With all the bashing he's taken over the years, he gets a big thumbs up for the way he's handling this situation.

[BrianMo]

Whit does seem to be doing a good job of handling all of this. I dont think he can afford to act any other way right now. If you are trying to get a new ride it is the time to prove you are a team player not matter how you are really fealing

[NitroDad]

If Whit were not such a **** and on probation from NHRA for all his antics maybe DSR could find a new sponsor! It is a wonder that he lasted this long at DSR. NO Potential sponsor wants all Whits baggage...Jack Beckman is a FIRST CLASS guy!! world champion SUPER COMP driver, Frank Hawley Drag Racing School Instructor(taught me how to race & singed my Super Comp License) and Cancer survivor...what more could a new sponsor ask for!!....see ya WHIT!

[nitrohemi]

Nitrodad,
Jack Beckman is a complete moron who is not very good. Just ask his former team (TF) what they think of him. Baze, for all his antics as you put it (so what I say, he stands up to Force and the NHRA morons which is more than jack beckman will ever do) has former and current crew chiefs that love him. Powers = Lee Beard and Rob Flynn. Tim Richards also speaks very highly of the guy.
Jack Beckman was a "pay driver" who was let go by Walsh and Tuttle in spite of his money (he is free to the owner) Baze is highly paid who is losing his ride due to matco pulling out of DSR. He will land some where and EARN a pay check, Beckman must bring hundreds of thousands to the table and still no one wanted him till now. DSR is desperate and it is showing.
You do the math,

[anotheridiot]

As far as Tim Richards, the deal they had together with an underfunded Chuck Etchells trying to be a car owner was because the sponsor didnt want etchells driving and Whit had no ride. They werent expected to do anything or challenge for a title, they were just there to try to grow. that was the situation whit was in, he needed a ride and he was a class A citizen trying to find a real ride. It got him into DSR. I dont think Richards ever saw the real Whit.

Whit didnt play his cards right and donDon didnt wait. He basically brought Scotty Cannon in and stole his Oakley sponsorship. Every driver after has gotten the better deal than Whit.

Whit needs to be on a single team for his him against the world attitude to work.

[427SOHC]

As far as Tim Richards, the deal they had together with an underfunded Chuck Etchells trying to be a car owner was because the sponsor didnt want etchells driving and Whit had no ride. They werent expected to do anything or challenge for a title, they were just there to try to grow. that was the situation whit was in, he needed a ride and he was a class A citizen trying to find a real ride. It got him into DSR. I dont think Richards ever saw the real Whit.

Whit didnt play his cards right and donDon didnt wait. He basically brought Scotty Cannon in and stole his Oakley sponsorship. Every driver after has gotten the better deal than Whit.

Whit needs to be on a single team for his him against the world attitude to work.

My thoughts exactally. .......... I'm not a huge Whit fan. But I'd love to see him away from DSR. He seems to be the red-headed-step child there. And DSR is a sponsor stealer there is no question there.

[CH3NO2]

Yeah...I'm no fan of Whit either, but I can't help but feel a little sorry for him, because he has definitely gotten the short end of the stick at DSR. How many times has his crew-chief been taken away and given to a new driver just as his team was starting the gel and perform? 3 times, is it? And the reading deal sucks for him if he gets booted from the seat, especially still being under contract at DSR through the end of the year.

Whatever his future in drag racing is, I hope to see him next year in a ride. Don't really like the guy, but I admit that he can get it done in the driver's seat. Can't take anything away from him.

[Methnut]

It's a done deal, Whit is out of the car for Reading and the rest of the season although he is still under contract with DSR.

Personally, I think this is just one of many many changes at DSR and the house of cards is finally falling in that camp. But that's just my opinion.

Hopefully Whit finds a ride real soon, with not having to drive a car now, he can concentrate on finding something else for next year. Maybe he can get some "testing" done in a TF car and gear up for one of those rides.

[lowe65]

Does anyone have the "inside info" on what took place or was said that resulted in Capps hitting Whit? I'm just curious.:confused:

[anotheridiot]

I doubt if that capps v whit will ever be known. Personally, part of whits problem is he just has that look on his face that is basically begging to be smacked. I really dont know why it seemed that Scelzi got the backing last year and capps is front and center this year. It probably has to do with Brut being extremely happy with capps and becoming one of the keys to dons success. If whit would have gotten the edge on team orders two years ago when he was a few rounds behind and instead got beat by a team mate, there probably wouldnt be as much animosity between the drivers. It led to whit beating scelzi last year or capps this year and might end up what ultimately loses the championship for them.

[DanLynch]

Personally, I think this is just one of many many changes at DSR and the house of cards is finally falling in that camp. But that's just my opinion.



From what I'm hearing this is a definite possibility and it won't affect just the FC teams...

[nfshotrod]

From what I'm hearing this is a definite possibility and it won't affect just the FC teams...

Hopefully Evan Knoll will pull his sponsorship and put it elsewere to. If you didn't already believe the Don is a walking piece of chit, this last move proves it. You pull a driver out of a car because the sponsor is leaving at the end on the season, no F'en way. Do you think he would do that to Tony if the Army was leaving? That guy is a fuggin snake.

[Bobby Bennett]

Dont you just love the way that NHRA.com says they are breaking a story that CP.com and other sites have been talking about for the past week?

[Jackee Allen]

Dont you just love the way that NHRA.com says they are breaking a story that CP.com and other sites have been talking about for the past week?

They probably read it here! HA

[nfshotrod]

Dont you just love the way that NHRA.com says they are breaking a story that CP.com and other sites have been talking about for the past week?


You would think NHRA would be the first place to look if you wanted late braking news. Geiger defended NHRA a few months ago on the mater saying everybody else reports hearsay and NHRA likes to wait to make sure the rumors a truth. Comp + is the first place to go for the news you need.

[racefan]

Ya know, wether you like Whit or not, he has handled this whole deal with a lot more class than most people.

[512 T/F]

That guy is a fuggin snake.

I know the Snake, and Shoe is no Snake.:)

[stephenkj]

...and, as posted on CompetitionPlus, Bazemore is OUT and Beckman is IN as of this weekend's event @ Maple Grove!:eek:

[Methnut]

Another reason for taking the ride from Baze now is because of the Skoal shootout next year. The points awarded from now until next year count towards that shootout, by Jack buying that ride out from under Baze, he also gets to accumulate the points for the shootout. DS doesn't want Baze taking credit for three races this year, then finding another ride and taking the points he got now and possibly bumping a DSR FC out. So DS is looking out for his own interests for next year.

(what I wrote here before was wrong and I appologize)

[ol fart]

Seems to me this whole thing is nothing more than a complete, well written, and well orchestrated soap opera...with all that has been made known, and what WILL be made known, already in place.
As for what WILL be made known, its a guess at this time, but my guess is and has been for a while now, that Whit will simply follow the matco sponsership and end up in a TOP FUEL DRAGSTER next year (SORRY HIP) which means he has no need of funny car points.

[Don Schumacher]

you keyboard racers are really funny, you think you know what is going on and why things happen. I am happy you all know what the facts are.

[fuelfan]

Don, Thanks for joining us.

Set us straight then, give us the real story on the pro stock cars and Whit/Jack

[bobalbertyjr]

You wouldnt want to know everything at once,the message boards would be real boring that way.Silence untill all the pieces are in place is crucial.

[kb301]

Don- You have to expect this type of a response when a move like this happens to a fan favorite. When people don't know all of the facts they will speculate.

[techrat_77]

Don- You have to expect this type of a response when a move like this happens to a fan favorite. When people don't know all of the facts they will speculate.

Fan Favorite? I thought the thread was about Bazemore? *LOL*:D Just kidding! I know Whit has his fans and probably an equal number (or more) that don't like him. I'm not a Bazemore fan, but I do respect his ability. I also don't think he's a bad guy, but from the standpoint of a fan, he may be the hardest to understand. He's his own guy, and I respect that the most. From my seat, I think this whole deal is totally business driven, just like everything else that makes this great country go 'round these days. Decisions are made on who has the money, what stuff costs, and how the guys with the big $$$ want to spend that money. With big buck sponsors involved, I suspect Mr. Schumacher is being driven as much or more than he is actually driving himself.

[alnp]

I'm glad Bazemore is finally gone. He has no respect for teammates, competitors, fans or the sport in which he makes a very good living. Good riddance. Don't go away mad, Whit, just go away. And take Angelle with you. I'm a fan of the sport, not of any specific driver or owner. Neither of the afore-mentioned individuals are good for the sport. I'm trying to be nice here....

[Jackee Allen]

I'm glad Bazemore is finally gone. He has no respect for teammates, competitors, fans or the sport in which he makes a very good living. Good riddance. Don't go away mad, Whit, just go away. And take Angelle with you. I'm a fan of the sport, not of any specific driver or owner. Neither of the afore-mentioned individuals are good for the sport. I'm trying to be nice here....

Oh brother, here we go.

[bobby]

I work turn around at a National event and if you people would have seen Whit Blazemore down there, you wouldn't like him either. I am not a fan of his.

[RFB]

Whit is a loud mouth, and I dislike him and his lack of personality. I do however, admire his actions and lack of whining during this changover. I don't know if I could have been so calm. I think he is so calm and mellow for several reasons.
I, He is on probation and needs to look like a team player for a new ride.
2, He must have a new ride already lined up, or several strong possibilities in the near future.
3, possibly he is glad to get away from DSR, for I don't know the reason, but it is a house of championship quality drivers. I think Don himself would cut your heart out in a minute if he thought it would better him and the company.
As far as Whit goes, I wouldn't squirt on him if he was on fire. He is an arogant ass!

RFB

[geokenuae]

I think that part of why Whit lost is ride is his habit of whining. Some examples:
1) Gary Gerold (sp) ..your team mate... referring to Capps. Whit's response? Don't call him my team mate.
2) Whit, you mentioned some drivers who are over-rated, like who? Whit's response? I don't want to mention any names... well that guy with the TV show for one. (Like Force or not, how do you call a 13 time champion over rated?)
3) Force burned me down on the tree, that's the reason the clutch over heated and I spun the tires. The replay showed Force staging 4 seconds after Whit. Is that a burn down?
George

[Paul_Page_Rulz]

One of the very reasons I like Whit is that in this politically correct world we live in, he speaks his mind on occaision. Some may see his other behaviors as whining, I see it as emotion. The guy is real. He's not out there being a fake for the camera. I can identify with real people. We all got flaws.

[alnp]

Oh brother, here we go.

No, not really Jackee.

I do not, for one minute, deny or seek to diminish the skills of Bazemore and Sampey.

All I am saying is they show no respect to anyone that can't directly influence their careers in a positive manner. Acting as an arrogant ass to fans and workers of NHRA is INEXCUSABLEby any competitor. Especially one of the "top professionals" who are a major part of the image of this sport. The fans are the direct reason the competitors earn the money they do. Of course, we all know the sacrifice and effort put in by the NHRA track workers.....

I think it took far too long for Bazemore to be sent packing and I consider the fact Angelle still has a seat to be a disappointment. My opinion is based on personal observations, not the opinions of others and I stand by my first post.

As Forrest said; "That's all I have to say about that".

[FCPRO]

Anyway you look at it ..it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$ @ D$R ... no sponsor no ride

[big ray]

so is jack paying for his ride at dsr

[anotheridiot]

He has some mail place backing him which would probably be a small associate deal with dsr. No way will they be able to campaign all year so regardless, I think Jack will get some points for the shootout this year just in case a sponsor shows up and Dondon can run the car next year.

[fuelfan]

Well I guess I have to stick up for Whit. I used to think he was a whiney bad boy sort. Now I like him. I think he has settled down and just tells it like it is. Maybe his son changed him I don't know.

Why did Whit get all the blame when Capps smaked him? Whit should have kicked his a@# !

[nitrohemi]

Jeez alnp.
I think you are in the wrong in your characterization of Bazemore. Scelzi is the one who degraded the top end guys and showed little respect. And as for Capps, HE is the one who was not a good teammate. Is someone who punches you a teammate. No. Bazemore handled that with a lot of class, imho.

Baze doesn't take any %$& from Force, and imho, that has made him a bad boy.

By the way, Beckman has been shopping his deal around all year. It is 1.5 million for the year and with matco leaving DSR needs the $$$.
Beckman is NOT a sponsors dream, and lets face it, odds are he will not be nearly as entertaining as Bazemore. I for one do not enjoy watching or listening to boreing brandon Sponsor thankers. I like Force, and I like Baze. Especially when they are mad at each other.

[dragnut888]

With DSR losing Matco as well as the Pro Stock entries, maybe there is trouble in paradise. Now if we could see Alan Johnson move out and start his own team, my day would be complete.

[ol fart]

Now if we could see Alan Johnson move out and start his own team, my day would be complete.
it would make your day huh, it would make my year (2007, that is)

[Hasben]

Shows no respect, deserves what he got.

[lowe65]

you keyboard racers are really funny, you think you know what is going on and why things happen. I am happy you all know what the facts are. Well please illuminate us on such things O Great and Powerful Oz! I, for one, would like to know the reason for your great success in taking EE, at the time a real front runner, and reducing her to the level of your other non-qualifying PS team. I don't see that any of the "keyboard racers" could have done any worse than you.

[Jackee Allen]

Well please illuminate us on such things O Great and Powerful Oz! I, for one, would like to know the reason for your great success in taking EE, at the time a real front runner, and reducing her to the level of your other non-qualifying PS team. I don't see that any of the "keyboard racers" could have done any worse than you.

Here we go again.

[nfshotrod]

Here we go again.

Are you going to cry for us again? Don's a big boy, I am sure he can take a little ribbing.

[Jackee Allen]

Are you going to cry for us again? Don's a big boy, I am sure he can take a little ribbing.

Is some one crying? I have some tissues. Just remember what got the plug pulled at Nitromater. Judging from Schumacher's post, I don't believe it'll be considered 'ribbing'.

Some folks just never learn. :eek: :D ;)

[Tire_Shake]

Does anyone think that is the REAL DS ?

[jpee]

Does anyone think that is the REAL DS ?
Now there is a THINKING MAN :D

I happen to agree.... no matter what someone thinks of DS I'm sure he has better things to do with his time than to get involved in a pissin match on any of these boards!

[Don Schumacher]

folks, it is me, stop over at the races or even call Schumacher Electric and I will tell you it is me. I am not sure why I expose myself to some of this s--- but I do. Understand the Whit situation was a decision made by both of us. I did not fire him and he did not quit but it is best for Whit this way.

[Bobby Bennett]

Fellas, you should know tha I have been in the know about this deal and what Don is telling you is the truth. It was a mutual decision by both. I interview both Don and Whit and they were both okay with the decision. It is what it is.

[Bobby Bennett]

And yes, that is the real Schumacher.

[lowe65]

folks, it is me, stop over at the races or even call Schumacher Electric and I will tell you it is me. I am not sure why I expose myself to some of this s--- but I do. Understand the Whit situation was a decision made by both of us. I did not fire him and he did not quit but it is best for Whit this way.
Well, I sure don't know why you'd want to expose yourself to this s---, but I can't imagine you got where you are by being thin skinned. I look forward to more posts from you, especially ones telling us what is really going on, not just ones telling us that we are clueless to what is really happening.

[Tire_Shake]

Well I'll be . . . . Good stuff then and Don I salute you for being brave enough read internet postings. Hell I am a nobody and sometimes even I have a tuff time wading through the backwaters of the information super highway ;-) be it here or else where.

[CrewGuy]

Whit HAS to have a deal already in place. He is still doing promo stuff for Matco as of this weekend. He helped Jack get comfortable in the F/C and signed off on Jack's license. Don is honoring Whit's contract for the rest of the year. Seems all is right between them.

[jpee]

folks, it is me, stop over at the races or even call Schumacher Electric and I will tell you it is me. I am not sure why I expose myself to some of this s--- but I do. Understand the Whit situation was a decision made by both of us. I did not fire him and he did not quit but it is best for Whit this way.

OK Don.. if its you, I'll stop by your pits on Sat. and ask you the "Secret" password... I'll post it here so if its REALLY you you will know the word :)

I will ask you what class is your favorite... the "ANSWER" has to be IMPORT :D When you see some old fart come up and ask you whats your favorite class.. just say IMPORT & I'll let everyone here know its really you.....

[ubtheone]

Don, you should be the next writer on NHRA's driver blogs. Thanks for posting your informative messages here.

[Methnut]

After thinking about all this for a few days, I'm not as upset about this Baze move as I was before, he's going to land on his feet. When all this is done, everyone involved is going to be much happier, Shoe, Baze and Beckman. I just don't like the road they took is all.

I still don't like this idea that buying a ride out from under someone is a good one for the sport. In reality, this is two different issues here.

[The_Leaker]

you keyboard racers are really funny, you think you know what is going on and why things happen. I am happy you all know what the facts are.

Yes it is funny on how running a team anymore has been raped and pillaged into the industry of economics anymore rather then wholesome good ole dragracing

No one has a need anymore for the use of a driver other then his "monetary values"

Im also pretty sure if i could secure 5 million for 2 years you too would give a ride to a monkey (if he could cut a light) hell mel can so wth ..

Im also pretty sure someone of your stature and ecomic value to the industry would make a diver like jeggie sit out fo the enite year due to "CONTACT" stipulations and not allow him to drive ..; o yea but yea your the shoe and people do what you tell them.

So don dont bring your mighty then all ass here and bust on us keyboard racers because we dont have 4 funny car teams 4 tf teams and 4 prostock... opps u sucked at prostock nevermind...

Not all of us have the resources or contacts to secure backing for a top tier team such as yours.


As a business man theres no one that can measure in stature but as a drag racing fan for the sport your the enemy because its no about racing anymore its about money..

I guess im a old fashonied "KEYBOARD RACER"

hey atleast you talk to the trash like us , much appreciated

[The_Leaker]

sorry for the spelling errors but ya know how us "keyboard racers" type with our stubbs and no teeth

[The_Leaker]

I work turn around at a National event and if you people would have seen Whit Blazemore down there, you wouldn't like him either. I am not a fan of his.


he was differnt when he was sitting on the ground at the gatornationsl 20 years ago rebuilding his permatex sponsered funny car

yea it was cool to see whit back then working outa a 1975 chapperal 5th wheel trailer

he never bitched he never complained he was happy and enjoyed dragracing

then came the camel deal and winston and his head blew up

NOW

add money wealth and attitude an ya get a remedy for AZZNESS


o yea add DSR and it inflated thousand times over..



The keyboard racer

[fuelfan]

Another week for Whit to find a ride now that Reading is a rainout...

[Pbre]

Understand the Whit situation was a decision made by both of us. I did not fire him and he did not quit but it is best for Whit this way.
Sounds an awful lot like the "Shaun Carlson is my driver" story from a few months ago.

[jpee]

Sounds an awful lot like the "Shaun Carlson is my driver" story from a few months ago.

Funny you should mention SC.. I was in Pa this weekend, & saw him driving one of those black buggies that the Penn Dutch drive.. you know the guys with the beards & black outfits...

Point being I think thats about all that SC can drive a 1 HP Horse & Buggy... but thats only my opinion...Maybe DS thinks the same because SC is the head or R&D now..

Rumor has it that Grumpy Jenkins, WJ, Bob Gliddon, and a few other light weights are trying to buy out his contract.. he is at the TOP when its R&D as for driving ability.. there is the Pennsylvania Dutch, or "IMPORTS" ;) Then we cant forget "Mr. Enders" He may need someone to help get his daughter in the show for NEXT year...

[Bob Korreck]

Funny you should mention SC.. I was in Pa this weekend, & saw him driving one of those black buggies that the Penn Dutch drive.. you know the guys with the beards & black outfits...

Point being I think thats about all that SC can drive a 1 HP Horse & Buggy... but thats only my opinion...Maybe DS thinks the same because SC is the head or R&D now..

Rumor has it that Grumpy Jenkins, WJ, Bob Gliddon, and a few other light weights are trying to buy out his contract.. he is at the TOP when its R&D as for driving ability.. there is the Pennsylvania Dutch, or "IMPORTS" ;) Then we cant forget "Mr. Enders" He may need someone to help get his daughter in the show for NEXT year...

He's really good in those imports JP. That's your favorite class isn't it?

[jpee]

He's really good in those imports JP. That's your favorite class isn't it?

You know how much $$ I made about 3 years ago racing a stock 89 Honda Civic...:D

& if the managers if the Import class didn't make a "Rule Change" (No Bucks $ Racers allowed in Import) in mid-season I may have made a lot more....

[fuelfan]

I wonder what Whit was tinking as he watched Jack not keep it in the groove in his round 1 loss at Dallas???

Poetic justice???

[Papa Duck]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-26-Tue-2006/sports/9862843.html

This appeared in this morning's Review-Journal. Seems like all of the parties are going to be in Las Vegas today.

[CrewGuy]

I think Whit was reluctant to sign with Powers because of the safety factor of a T/F car. Last time we spoke, Whit was exploring a couple of F/C rides and the Powers car was third on the list. If they do announce the deal today- Powers should give Whit some seat time this year.

[anotheridiot]

I think Whit was reluctant to sign with Powers because of the safety factor of a T/F car. Last time we spoke, Whit was exploring a couple of F/C rides and the Powers car was third on the list. If they do announce the deal today- Powers should give Whit some seat time this year.

all I heard is Blaze isnt driving the MAtco car anymore this year. I never heard that he was released from his contract with Shumacher, so I dont think he could do anything other than maybe testing on mondays after a race, but even then, there might be something in the contract about him getting hurt in a different car.

[doubletrouble26]

I'm coming into this late but just wanted to say I am a HUGE Whit fan! I think Drag Racing is losing a great competitor if he doesn't come back. I really just hope he finds a team right for him! :)

[anotheridiot]

I'm coming into this late but just wanted to say I am a HUGE Whit fan! I think Drag Racing is losing a great competitor if he doesn't come back. I really just hope he finds a team right for him! :)

Well I am not his biggest fan, but also think he deserves a ride. The problem is that I think he needs to be THE driver on a single team. I dont think he should get tied up with team mate junk anymore. I know the sharing information stuff is critical to winning, but he doesnt play well with others. If he was gonna run The funny car for powers, I could see him doing well there, but to run the Other dragster, he will be back to having a hard time.

[fuelfan]

I am surprised there isn't more news about Baze and his new dragster, artist renderings of the paint or who will be assisting Lee Beard...

[bvanluven]

The people who say that Jack Beckman is a moron obviously haven't met him and don't know what they're talking about. There's no law against shooting you're mouth off when you don't know what you're talking about, but there should be. Jack is a very talented driver and a very sincere, and very focused, young man. Jack won the NHRA Super Comp World Championship a few years back which is no small feat. Regardless of what has been insinuated in this forum, it was Jack's decision to step out of the top fuel car and he'd probably still be driving that car if he hadn't decided to pursue other options. The bad-mouthing by that car's crew after the fact is a classic example of sour grapes. Take the time to stop by the Matco Tools funny car pits in Las Vegas or at the World Finals and meet Jack. He's a hell of a long way from being a moron!

[topfuelfan]

Nitrodad,
Jack Beckman is a complete moron who is not very good. Just ask his former team (TF) what they think of him. Baze, for all his antics as you put it (so what I say, he stands up to Force and the NHRA morons which is more than jack beckman will ever do) has former and current crew chiefs that love him. Powers = Lee Beard and Rob Flynn. Tim Richards also speaks very highly of the guy.
Jack Beckman was a "pay driver" who was let go by Walsh and Tuttle in spite of his money (he is free to the owner) Baze is highly paid who is losing his ride due to matco pulling out of DSR. He will land some where and EARN a pay check, Beckman must bring hundreds of thousands to the table and still no one wanted him till now. DSR is desperate and it is showing.
You do the math,

"Jack Beckman is a complete moron who is not very good."

Well, he broke the track record yesterday at Vegas first, then he ran 330 mph and qualified 4th. He ran faster than Force, he ran the second fastest time qualifying out of anyone and has driven the car about 3-4 miles so far total.

"You do the math"

Nitrohemi- you may want to enroll in a continuing education basic math class at your local community college.

[CH3N02DISCIPLE]

"Jack Beckman is a complete moron who is not very good."

Well, he broke the track record yesterday at Vegas first, then he ran 330 mph and qualified 4th. He ran faster than Force, he ran the second fastest time qualifying out of anyone and has driven the car about 3-4 miles so far total.

"You do the math"

Nitrohemi- you may want to enroll in a continuing education basic math class at your local community college.
Or better yet you can enroll at the Frank Hawley drag racing school and have Beckman school you.

[topfuelfan]

Nitrohemi... I guess it chit sammich time!

:eek:

Mmmmmmm

[Methnut]

Give that team the credit they deserve, it's not all about beckman. Yea, he can drive, we all know that, but that TEAM had that car going fast before beckman bought the seat out from under Bazemore.

[fuelfan]

Todd's comments on ESPN2 after the final were interesting, he mentioned Whit's name more than once...

[marks599]

F/C final, championships on the line, your car against FORCE, who do you want in the car beckman or bazemore? Anybody who answers beckman is just plain stupid! Look, ive met jack also, he is a great guy, and yes he can drive the car, BUT is he as good as baze? NOT EVEN CLOSE. I understand it was a business decision by the shoe but.... sometimes letting a great well know driver go in favor of someone with a little money can really backfire, if you dont believe me just ask darrel gwynn,,,, oh guess he hasnt been around for a while huh???:cool:

[Bob Korreck]

F/C final, championships on the line, your car against FORCE, who do you want in the car beckman or bazemore? Anybody who answers beckman is just plain stupid! Look, ive met jack also, he is a great guy, and yes he can drive the car, BUT is he as good as baze? NOT EVEN CLOSE. I understand it was a business decision by the shoe but.... sometimes letting a great well know driver go in favor of someone with a little money can really backfire, if you dont believe me just ask darrel gwynn,,,, oh guess he hasnt been around for a while huh???:cool:

Beckman! :D :D

[Methnut]

Good, well thought out post Marks599. I'm not sure these politically correct daisey pushers here can handle the truth though, apparently some of beckmans money went to several posters here to start up some sort of a PR machine to put a possitive spin on his bought and paid for racing career, I guess everythings for sale. When Todd O. jumps ship and goes over to the new Bazemore rail to tune that car, it will be interesting to see what's left of this current FC team.

[tafc]

if you go back to maple grove, Beckman lost to Force in the first round on a holeshot! If the points end by a few points you might have to look at that as a big hit. Force went to the semi's, so right now there wouldn't even be 1 round seperating capps and force.

[nitrohemi]

A well deserved win for the team.
I thought Todd O's comments were something especially after winning!!
Sounds like the people on that team feel differently about Jack Beckman than a few of the posters here!
Jack made errors that cost them rounds at the first two races, and he has cost them some qualifying positions.
He is not Whit Bazemore, and it sounds like the team wishes he was.
They won the race, so good for them. In time, Jack might become good, but from what people say, he has a way to go.

[nitrohemi]

Good observation, tafc. The Matco car beat Capps in the first round somewhere too. (with Bazemore) It looks over for Capps.

Anyone else think Forces comments were weird. I am sure he has killer instinct so why act like you don't. Robert is one thing, but Capps??? Looked like a love fest.

[marks599]

I believe force really likes capps, remember force is a little older and tamer know although hes still probably the best f/c pilot active.(thats coming from a bazemore diehard!!!) I also believe we were VERY close to seeing whit in a force f/c a couple of years ago. Beckman will become a good driver with laps BUT whit is a great funnycar driver no matter how much SOME people may dislike him. I posted on a diff. bazemore thread about the round beckman lost to force not only was he late but he couldnt keep the car in the groove. While i understand what the shoe did was buisness that round could cost capps the championship , and ill bet you a dollar and a ham sandwich whit would have won that round!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[Plain Vanilla]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda! Losing in the first round is going to cost Capps the championship..................not what someone else might or might not have done.:)

[marks599]

That is completely wrong! That is why you have multi car teams, ask john force!:confused:

[Bob Korreck]

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