Is This The End of End-ers

[jpee]

I saw this over on NHRA... I'm thinking this might be the beginning of the END...


>>Pro Stock favorite Erica Enders will skip this weekend's Toyo Tires NHRA Nationals in Reading, Pa., to get her new race team in order. Enders promises to return to action Sept. 21-24 at the O'Reilly Fall Nationals in Dallas in her recently-purchased Dodge Stratus R/T powered by crew chief David Nickens' own handmade engines.

[FireEmUp!]

Does the sorting out relate to clarifying the status of their commercial association with DSR ?

As far as performance goes....unless their is a new bullit by Nickens that
is stronger .....one would wonder if indeed EE will be making a good
descision.....

[panda2]

After all the changes and struggles this team has gone through, I just want to wish each and every person associated with the Enders' team great success. Gregg, Erica, David and Terry are all every talented individuals and I admire their determination to stick together and take the steps to build a team that has the potential of being very competitive in the near future. They, and the other members of the team have endured such strong and negative comments from so many, that I think it has made them all just more focused and committed to working together to build a successful team.

[Tire_Shake]

After all the changes and struggles this team has gone through, I just want to wish each and every person associated with the Enders' team great success. Gregg, Erica, David and Terry are all every talented individuals and I admire their determination to stick together and take the steps to build a team that has the potential of being very competitive in the near future. They, and the other members of the team have endured such strong and negative comments from so many, that I think it has made them all just more focused and committed to working together to build a successful team.

Wait wait wait; is not their stuggles of their own making? EE's teams quest to attain D least celeberty status and be the Danica Patrick of NHRA reads transperant.

Being new to the pro ranks, just who exactly do they think they are? Personally, I think to walk away from VC Racing was a naviely arrogant move brought on by drag racings version of "stage parent", perhaps a "lane parent" if you will.

No sympathy here. Pro stock is extremely competive, no one out there is any more or less deserving of a win and sponsorship support then another. EE's team need to pay their dues like everyone else, minus the hyped up dramatic story line.

Really, look at the independant teams in that class, they quietly go about thier business and race, daddy can't always get what he wants.

[Tire_Shake]

So is that sticker in Connelly's car that says "I Slammed It" a dig on EE and her Slammers sponsorship?

I am sure it must be.

Your right, Troxel and Will do a great job of just being "drivers" no more, no less. Sampey, even though she can be pretty dramatic at times has at least a history of being a top qualifier and a race winner in pro ranks. EE does not and to me that makes all the differance. You've got to do something to warrent your accalades and attention, not just demand it.

[competition]

We have deleted several posts that serve no value. Personal attack and comments are one of the rules that this board will not let you violate. Keep trying to make this your personal hate board and it will be shut down. We will not tolerate such slanderous comments. Edit yourself or we will edit it for you and shut this board down. Use it or ruin it...your choice.

[JJ^^]

Wow Wow Wow

[JJ^^]

I say shut it down if your going to edit. Let the people speak what is on there mind.

[Hasben]

Right on JJ, If people can't tell it like it is then what good is the board. The Enders need to step back and take a good look at how they act, in my opinion they need to be playing Polo, they obviously would fit in better with that crowd. just my .02

[Tire_Shake]

Easy people !

Admin its all good, I understand your concern. Was anything said that was THAT bad, probabley not, but it was definatly approaching the line even if it hadn't crossed it and I respect your decision.

I know you guys want to keep this forum more or less on the straight and narrow and there is nothing worse then a board filled with mindless mud flinging BS, good moderation can help avoid that, and already by your non-actions in other threads I get the sense you want people to speak their minds (just do it tackfully) and are not interested in over-moderation either.

Nothing to see here, carry on :D

[JJ^^]

I understand that they have adds on there site that they have to look after.....But this is a msg board....maybe the board just dont fit.

[jpee]

I say shut it down if your going to edit. Let the people speak what is on there mind.

I think your wrong!!! If people want to say a driver is bad on the tree.. or (example) EE made a bad deal .. or Whit is hotheaded.. thats fine... & they (Mods) should let it go... but when people start saying who is doing what to who.... (I think you get the point) that is crossing the line.. hell its not even drag race related...

People who know me will be the first to tell you, I always would say "wow I'd like to do her" when I see some hot chick at the track... But its said one to one NOT ON A MESSAGE BOARD!

[Bob Korreck]

I think your wrong!!! If people want to say a driver is bad on the tree.. or (example) EE made a bad deal .. or Whit is hotheaded.. thats fine... & they (Mods) should let it go... but when people start saying who is doing what to who.... (I think you get the point) that is crossing the line.. hell its not even drag race related...

People who know me will be the first to tell you, I always would say "wow I'd like to do her" when I see some hot chick at the track... But its said one to one NOT ON A MESSAGE BOARD!

How about saying it in a email jpee. Would you do that? :D

[Bob Korreck]

jpee is 100% right. We're on here to discuss drag racing, not personalities.

[anotheridiot]

The personality of the driver is what sponsors are looking for.

Lets not forget that Disney made a movie about Erica Enders already. That is pretty much putting a huge amount of pressure on whoever is trying to promote Erica into a professional racer. I really dont know what happened with slammers, for me a growing girl turning into a woman is a pretty great freaking image for a milk company. But instead of slowly rising to be a better driver, it seems that the end of the story was already played on the big screen and now we are watching her real life as the sequel to the movie. She would have done much better sticking with a team and learning the craft. Instead it seems her dad saw someone else able to make money off his little girl and didnt accept it. Well mr enders, disney already made a mint off your little girl, others will too. Look at Danica making what could be the same mistake in IRL. Already outgrowing a team that was realistically the best team to slowly let her learn racing before they went for the title.

As far as the team sitting out, what is there to gain? More bad press about not qualifying again. They can learn more making 8 passes down in texas to figure out what they need to get competitive. Put the money into testing and come out strong next year.

[Bobby Bennett]

I say shut it down if your going to edit. Let the people speak what is on there mind.


JJ...we do let people speak their minds...but we have limits when it gets to personal and crude attacks. Let me just save us both some time...if you don't like the way we have our forum then you are welcomed to leave and anyone else that can't respect that for that matter.

It has nothing to do with ads...it has to do with overall decency.

If that's a problem...you know your option.

[Mr. Obvious]

If You don't learn from past mistakes you are doomed to repeat.
Tricky Ricky realised that DSR did not have enough parts to give him a qualifing ride. So what motivated them to make the switch from VC ?
maybe moving up the food chain? Ricky was smart enough 2 C that problem
but they were not. Gotta wonder !

[Ron Burke]

I think sitting out Reading, and for that matter the rest of the season unless they can have at least a chance to qualify, is the only smart move they have made since last winter.

When they were in a top two or three car the driver screwed up when she had a chance to win. I think when VC saw what a top flight driver, DC, could do with the equipment VC was providing the writing was on the wall. He now will have DC and JC driving next year. If his interest is to win he certainly made the right decision.

I personally never understood the assumption that EE was so marketable. She was a big hit with the 8-12 year old girl market from the movie but as for the rest of the audience I don't think so. She is at best an average looking girl with limited driving skills and not much experience at driving or winning anything except JD racing.

The whole situation was in my opinion a classic example of what happens when desire to be PC dominates peoples thinking. They brought nothing to the table except the fact she was a girl which they displayed in big letters on the side of the car. In a sport where there are and have been many successful women drivers, this seems to me to be of little added value to any sponsor. After the initial novelty wears off it's all about performance, a commodity that team has shown little if any competence in achieving.

[Jackee Allen]

We have deleted several posts that serve no value. Personal attack and comments are one of the rules that this board will not let you violate. Keep trying to make this your personal hate board and it will be shut down. We will not tolerate such slanderous comments. Edit yourself or we will edit it for you and shut this board down. Use it or ruin it...your choice.

I hope the Enders team does whatever it needs to do to become competative. With so much opinion in here about this Pro Stock Team, there should be at least 100 cars, drivers, teams with big sponsors in this eliminator at every national event. But there aren't. There are real racers & teams, and then there are people with just their opinions. Like they say, if it was easy, everyone would be able to do it.

[babaloo]

I hope the Enders team does whatever it needs to do to become competative. With so much opinion in here about this Pro Stock Team, there should be at least 100 cars, drivers, teams with big sponsors in this eliminator at every national event. But there aren't. There are real racers & teams, and then there are people with just their opinions. Like they say, if it was easy, everyone would be able to do it.

Everyone thinks it's all racing related; not able to be competitive, etc. That's just part of it. Some people make a living at racing, so maybe their not showing in Reading has to do with the business side... maybe a sponsor?

[Prestaged]

I personally never understood the assumption that EE was so marketable. She was a big hit with the 8-12 year old girl market from the movie but as for the rest of the audience I don't think so. She is at best an average looking girl with limited driving skills and not much experience at driving or winning anything except JD racing.

That's a little over the top, in my opionion. Erica appeals to more than 8-12-year-old girls. My wife, a newbie to the sport likes her. So do I. The "average looking" thing is evidence to me that you do not have a daughter. I do. Granted, there have been and are many successful women in drag racing. Lucky for us because that broadens (no pun intended) the fan base. Erica is the first woman to prove that she can drive a Pro Stock car. Others have done it, but only for short periods of time and not when the cars were running deep into the sixes at well over 200 mph. She may be erratic on the lights, but so are others -- Anderson, Line, WJ, Yates . . . Glidden fit that mold as well, though reaction times were not focused on when he raced like they are now. Just my 2 cents.

[Bob Korreck]

The personality of the driver is what sponsors are looking for.

You are correct. I did a poor job of writing that post. What I really meant to say is that these personal attacks are not good on a message board or anywhere else. To attack someone because you don't like them is crossing the line.

There is a big difference between criticizing someone and attacking them.

[Gary Jacobson]

You are correct. I did a poor job of writing that post. What I really meant to say is that these personal attacks are not good on a message board or anywhere else. To attack someone because you don't like them is crossing the line.

There is a big difference between criticizing someone and attacking them.
x2 well said

[The_Leaker]

This is what happens when her father single handly ruined her carreer because of the "we deserve this" attitude.


O yea being able to see the tree might have helped as well...

Also chevrolet and slammer has LOADS of erca enders campaign material they havent yet released yet i bet ya can get it cheap.


Wurd is cherolet was a bit terbed with the leaving of EE .. BUT... with jeggie firmly in place they are im sure happy as bob glidden in his NOS days

[CrewGuy]

Was Bruce Allen banned from IHRA as well? This was a long time ago but I remember a story where Allen & Glidded refused public tear down. IHRA wanted to open the engines and let all see inside. They offered to do it in the privacy of their trailers but that was not an option. They both packed up and left. This is going back a long time, but I see their point.
That is exactly what happened and the reason why Bob and Bruce quit running IHRA.

Conversation between BG and IHRA tech at the scales:
"Which cylinders do you want to pump?"
"We are gonna tear you down."
"Ok- where are we gonna do it?"
"pull the heads right here!"

[Bobby Bennett]

I (Me, Myself and I) deleted the posts accusing Bob Glidden of cheating. Crewguy's post tells the story as it happened.

[Racemaster]

This is what happens when her father single handly ruined her carreer because of the "we deserve this" attitude.


O yea being able to see the tree might have helped as well...

Also chevrolet and slammer has LOADS of erca enders campaign material they havent yet released yet i bet ya can get it cheap.


Wurd is cherolet was a bit terbed with the leaving of EE .. BUT... with jeggie firmly in place they are im sure happy as bob glidden in his NOS days

Prove it!!!

[Bob Korreck]

I (Me, Myself and I) deleted the posts accusing Bob Glidden of cheating. Crewguy's post tells the story as it happened.

I didn't see it (the posts) but Bob Glidden is a great driver and builder. He's also not a fool. Only a fool would go into an event knowing they can order a tear down and cheat. They would be throwing away a career.