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Which I don't understand....it's in the mid 70s. Can't believe the track is THAT greasy, but I guess so.

Crampton ran 10.27 - at 301mph. LOL
It's not that the track is greasy - it's that the tuners are finding that tuning-window line to cross.

Stands looked packed today - curious if it is an official sell out or not. If not, be prepared for the 4-Wide detractors to say - "Well, it sold out last year on Saturday - how come it didn't this year?"
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What do you think happened with Rick Hord not qualifying for Pro Mod after running a disqualified 5.72@260 and then listed in the final order at #31 of 32 entered with a best of 6.35@211? The 5.72 would have put him #1.
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Ask US Nats winner Rick Snavley about the other turbo engine builders and the NHRA. They tore him down multiple times that year. I believe they outlawed his engine.

The crowd was very good. Nitro racing in Q3 was terrible with the most eyeballs on them for the entire event. NHRA needs to work with the teams on getting the cars down the track in Q3.

PM still the most exciting class. Last week's finalists didn't qualify.

Do sportsmen racers like to race early in the morning and then wait until evening to race again? Should some of these races with large amount of classes go back to 4 day events like Vegas 1 and Charlotte 1?
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What do you think happened with Rick Hord not qualifying for Pro Mod after running a disqualified 5.72@260 and then listed in the final order at #31 of 32 entered with a best of 6.35@211? The 5.72 would have put him #1.
He refused to give the NHRA tech officials a copy of his run data, after they had reviewed it and approved.........
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Honestly, I'm thankful the NHRA doesn't cut anyone any slack in PM. Its been refreshing to see an organization actually enforce the rules or even check/tear down engines! Its pretty hard for me to muster any sympathy for turbo cars because everywhere I race they get absolute free rein. And it totally sucks. I like turbo cars and I like ALL three power adders in the same class. But there HAS to be rules that make sense for that to happen and this series has totally proven that again and again.

Incidentally, every power adder has been torn down at one point or another in this series.
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Saturday results....
http://competitionplus.com/drag-raci...-event-results

Saturday Notebook...
http://competitionplus.com/node/39250

Pro Mod Results...
http://competitionplus.com/drag-raci...tion-charlotte
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Honestly, I'm thankful the NHRA doesn't cut anyone any slack in PM. Its been refreshing to see an organization actually enforce the rules or even check/tear down engines! Its pretty hard for me to muster any sympathy for turbo cars because everywhere I race they get absolute free rein. And it totally sucks. I like turbo cars and I like ALL three power adders in the same class. But there HAS to be rules that make sense for that to happen and this series has totally proven that again and again.

Incidentally, every power adder has been torn down at one point or another in this series.
So what aren't we understanding?

The car was inspected (and assuming the engine was torn down) after the run and passed....

The data, including boost controller parameters were reviewed and deemed in compliance....

The issue comes in when they demanded a copy of the data, which was refused likely due to it's proprietary nature.

I've gone over the class rules, general regulations as it applies to computers and data recorders, and national record requirements, and unless I'm missing something no where is it stated that data files must be turned over for a national record to be recognized. Or for any reason other than an "incident" (crash). It does not appear in any 2018 supplements either.

Perhaps they're using that catch all phrase "at the official's discretion" to justify this.
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So what aren't we understanding?

The car was inspected (and assuming the engine was torn down) after the run and passed....

The data, including boost controller parameters were reviewed and deemed in compliance....

The issue comes in when they demanded a copy of the data, which was refused likely due to it's proprietary nature.

I've gone over the class rules, general regulations as it applies to computers and data recorders, and national record requirements, and unless I'm missing something no where is it stated that data files must be turned over for a national record to be recognized. Or for any reason other than an "incident" (crash). It does not appear in any 2018 supplements either.

Perhaps they're using that catch all phrase "at the official's discretion" to justify this.
Since Rick Hord didn't qualify after making the low ET pass, NHRA is making it look like he was cheating and that's why he didn't qualify. All I've ever heard about the Hord's for the last 30 years is that they are very high quality racers.

Are we to assume that Rick Hord was cheating and couldn't make a pass where he could give NHRA an acceptable printout? Or is the printout worth too much to give to the NHRA Tech Team that may not keep it private? Something seems fishy since since the statement said he passed tech and the only beef was he wouldn't give a hard copy printout of his tune.

I've wondered over the years how many hard earned ideas get discovered in teardown and given (or sold) to "friends" of the tech crew. It's one of those things that nobody wants to talk about for fear it might be true or fear they could be prosecuted for slander no matter if it's true or not.
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Agree, One would think a full tear down and inspection of the car including fuel should be sufficient. The data map should not be handed over being that it's a secret as to how they figured out how to make that car run with what they have.
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Since Rick Hord didn't qualify after making the low ET pass, NHRA is making it look like he was cheating and that's why he didn't qualify. All I've ever heard about the Hord's for the last 30 years is that they are very high quality racers.

Are we to assume that Rick Hord was cheating and couldn't make a pass where he could give NHRA an acceptable printout? Or is the printout worth too much to give to the NHRA Tech Team that may not keep it private? Something seems fishy since since the statement said he passed tech and the only beef was he wouldn't give a hard copy printout of his tune.

I've wondered over the years how many hard earned ideas get discovered in teardown and given (or sold) to "friends" of the tech crew. It's one of those things that nobody wants to talk about for fear it might be true or fear they could be prosecuted for slander no matter if it's true or not.
The statement says they wanted a copy of the actual data file. Which has much more information, and is more valuable than a printout alone.

As to your last point, that was a concern back when former fuel crew chiefs were running the Tech Department.
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