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Old 02-10-2018
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Golf totals their player's qualifying round scores.
If NHRA drag racing totaled the car's 4 qualifying round ET's you would see more interesting racing.

The pressure for the crew chief would be to not smoke'em off the line, give up and coast the rest of the way.
No racer could blow off Friday's first qualifier on that hot or cold and no groove racetrack.

Would this make for better racing during eliminations?

The best racer that pushes the envelope and bangs the blower or crosses the finish line might not even qualify where the low dollar guy who backs off and makes 4 clean passes makes the field.

JFR, DSR, CKR wouldn't like it as the single car teams would have a better chance of making the field. Worse yet for the big, multicar teams would be the added incentive for new racers to build a new single car T/F or F/C team. They would have a better chance of some success (at the big teams expense).

If golf only took the lowest round score there would be numerous players give up on the 10th hole after a bad hole (or two) and "coast" into the clubhouse. That would be hard on ticket sales.

The value of a Friday ticket would increase if we knew every racer in Friday's two qualifiers were going to set the car up to finish under power. Every car, every pair, would be a real race to the finish line.

(And we would want the qualifying win lights to work.)
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Mixing things up with ideas like this and others at a few races a year might be fun. Maybe include it with the the 4 Wides.
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More pedaling means more oil downs.
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More pedaling means more oil downs.
Just a little backing off by smart crew chiefs so they get down the track consistently since it's sooo important. More entertainment for the fans plus high quality diapers and restrains. It would probably be the same as now downtime wise as there is with more at stake.
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Just a little backing off by smart crew chiefs so they get down the track consistently since it's sooo important. More entertainment for the fans plus high quality diapers and restrains. It would probably be the same as now downtime wise as there is with more at stake.
Only ONE crew chief comes to mind currently who can maintain complete composure so to speak and tow a steady line regardless of what others are doing in qualifying and that's Tobler. (He's doing it this weekend in fact.) Its very rare because in many ways, CC's are more competitive than drivers. (I'm assuming we're mainly talking nitro here.) Not to mention bonus points given in qualifying for the better runs.

Like Hemi said, it might be fun to change it up a little like in one of the shootouts but overall you'd be looking at increased cost for race teams just to qualify. Everyone wants to think up ways to help the little team but the truth is money buys R&D, track time and parts. That's what really separates the big teams from the small teams. The thinking that if we use various methods to "slow" cars down or "average" the runs out will help the little guy doesn't address the real difference between big dollar teams and small. Its largely a game of parts attrition and there is no level playing field with budget comparisons as widely different as we're talking at this level.
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First of all... the low buck teams don't even run all the sessions. Second of all, look at the runs they did manage to make this weekend. Even with 2 tire smoking runs and 2 balls to the wall passes the mega teams would still qualify higher than what the others managed to do.

Aside from that.. do you want to see Clay go 3.628 or do you want to just see him go 4 3.70s in a row?

Good in theory, bad in practice. We need to quit trying to fix things that aren't broken.

Qualifying is your chance to swing for the fences. You don't do that on raceday because the win light is way more important.
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More pedaling means more oil downs.
And higher expense budgets.
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The value of a Friday ticket would increase if we knew every racer in Friday's two qualifiers were going to pedal if they smoke the tires and would never coast threw the traps. Every car, every pair, would be a real race to the finish line.

(And we would want the qualifying win lights to work.)
You saw what happens when you get everybody pedaling their cars first round Sunday in Pomona. No thanks.
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You saw what happens when you get everybody pedaling their cars first round Sunday in Pomona. No thanks.
Your right as that was my first thought on changing to totalling the 4 qualifying round ETs.

But thinking further with the comments from Alan R. and adding the safety rules at the bottom of post #16 would eliminate most if not all overdriving and smokefests. This would make clean passes more important than they are now and eliminate Pomona's smokefest. It would be more professional and better racing while keeping the tractors parked.

Regarding post #17's Barnum and Bailey comment:
The Olympics are Barnum and Bailey?
Yeah, the rodeo is close to the circus (they have rodeo clowns) but the Olympics and the PGA isn't.

I said that JFR wouldn't be for this but after watching Brit get slapped around with the car on kill, he might be a little more interested in the safety and professionalism this would bring as all teams in both lanes would have huge incentives to make it to the other end in every session. Garlits would probably like this as he hated the "distroy a bullet" every pass mentality that became the norm to be low qualifier and he's a visionary, free thinker.

I know people are resistant to change. Like anything else, it needs to be discussed and modified where needed but not just ignored because "we've always done it that way". Then we need to go back to flag starts and push or roller starters. (Wonder how many on here saw roller starters in use?)
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