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Old 11-01-2017
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It is shortsighted if only the DRCE is the only alternative. Hopefully it allows engine builders like Sonny's, Dart, Proline, play with engines of their own design.
Maskin suggested this years ago. NHRA said NO. Just speculating but maybe NHRA would have rather back then kept the manufacturers engaged for the money.

I doubt if anyone would be interested. Probably be a small volume.
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The NHRA is full of so many double standards...it is ridiculous.

Back when NHRA adjusted the rules for Pro Stock Motorcycle to make V-Twins competitive, many of the Suzuki riders felt the new engine specs for the V-Twins were unfair. Their fears proved to be right, as they've had to adjust the engine size of the I4 motors three different times to keep parity. Back in the day, the Suzuki guys wanted to run V-Twins in their bikes. The Suzuki TL1000R body utilized by some Suzuki teams is actually based on a V-Twin bike (no longer in production). The NHRA said no because the production Suzuki bike was a 90 degree DOHC V-Twin. The catch is, the motor available in the production V-Rod (you know, the body used by the V&H team) was also a 60 degree DOHC V-Twin. The rules called for a 60 degree pushrod V-Twin (standard HDs are 45 degree pushrod V-Twins). So the NHRA spec V-Twin motor does not match ANY production V-Twin, but a manufacturer was barred from running a V-Twin because that layout did not match any engine sold in there production lineup. Genius...

So now will NHRA allow the Suzuki folks to run their own V-Twin? Hell, if any motor combo can be used in and body in PS, why not extend those rules over to PSM?
Most believe that all of NHRA is about the money. If brand A pays more and brand B, well you get the message.
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The problem here is the only difference in all the brands now is the mailing address of the corporate headquarters. As far as parts, assembly and even design it is basically a world market. By this time next year it could easily be Volkswagen - Chrysler or Alpha Romero - Chrysler or whoever wants to stick their neck out and buy them from Fiat. As far as brand recognition goes besides a corporate logo decal what can "you or me" buy that was made for a P/S car that was actually manufactured by the factory? Since the factories are pulling out what happens with the Denver race and what incentive does Chevrolet have to keep advertising (like Indy) and spending money unless someone else jumps into the class? This is starting to sound like one hand clapping to have no competition between brands because right now it's just "Brand" (singular). The hard cold facts are that it is no longer the "Big 3" it's just three with only one participating.
Iím now an old guy and my parents would only buy American back when it was easy to know what was foreign and what was American. Now every manufacturer has factories in multiple countries. It was very understandable back when I got married. My dad fought in the Pacific and my father-in-law fought in Germany. (You should have seen the look on his face when I bought his daughter a VW bugÖ I just didnít know.)

Today, if we want to buy whatís best for the American taxpayer and not best for foreign countries that maybe could care less about us, how do you do it?

Would it be to buy from the companies that design and engineer their products in the US like Ford, GM and maybe Chrysler? If you buy a Mercedes made in South Carolina but designed and engineered in Germany, does a larger or significant amount of the purchase price go to Germany instead of staying in the US?

If you buy a Ford product made in Canada, Mexico or Turkey, does a significant amount of money still go through Dearborn?

I think Iíve kept the politics out of my comments and this does relate to drag racing because I still have a hard time being happy with a Toyota win in F/C even if it is only carbon fiber n stickers.
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So you have a cross between a 'spec' engined deal like NASCAR has, or funny cars on gasoline. Any brand competition, which is what got the whole thing started, is gone.

No thanks. That is the ONLY professional class that has held any interest for me. That will just finish it off.

It is what it is.
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Will this clear the way for Toyota and other manufactures to get involved if they wish? I'm glad they are doing something to try to save the class but would hate to see imports in Pro Stock.
Actually, imports have been allowed since at least 1996. This has been in the Rulebook for over 20 years....

Reserved for NHRA-accepted 2-door or 4-door coupe or sedan (domestic or foreign) production vehicles.

All they have to do is submit a design that conforms to the NHRA Pro Stock Body Measurement Legend sheets then get approval.
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Now that we're getting spec engines, I'd be huntin' for a car with the lowest drag in the wind tunnel, foreign or domestic.
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Is this bringing more manufacturers or less? I mean if the chevy or ford or dodge is not winning races with a chevy, ford or dodge engine, why should they care. dont they care little enough now?
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Actually, imports have been allowed since at least 1996. This has been in the Rulebook for over 20 years....

Reserved for NHRA-accepted 2-door or 4-door coupe or sedan (domestic or foreign) production vehicles.

All they have to do is submit a design that conforms to the NHRA Pro Stock Body Measurement Legend sheets then get approval.
I was told by people in the know that Toyota wanted to get involved in Pro Stock, but refused to build a 500 CI big block as it shared no resemblance to any of their production motors.

Here's an idea, start allowing DOHC 4-valve engines. They would need to be smaller (maybe start out at 400 CI). Adjust weights as needed, and ditch the rev limiter. I bet Ford and Toyota get interested quick.
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Is this bringing more manufacturers or less? I mean if the chevy or ford or dodge is not winning races with a chevy, ford or dodge engine, why should they care. dont they care little enough now?
Maybe the current active Pro Stock teams would expect some independent owners show up with Ford or Dodge cars with the so called spec engine to round out the fields. Thus keeping the class alive. Maybe even leasing spec engines from some of the builders.
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The factory part number casted into the blocks was the soul of the class. Without that rule, we can hardly apply the word "stock" to the class. If they need to make such a drastic change to the rules, they need to change the name of the class as well.
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