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Old 08-27-2015
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Boat racers use them for an entirely different purpose... like not drowning.
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Boat racers use them for an entirely different purpose... like not drowning.
Yes, they can keep you from drowning but i believe that the on board air does a better job of that?

I believe that the capsules are more for impact protection?

So with the impact the JW had, that capsule would have help?
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Yes, they can keep you from drowning but i believe that the on board air does a better job of that?

I believe that the capsules are more for impact protection?

So with the impact the JW had, that capsule would have help?
The capsules are designed to easily detach from the hull when it all goes wrong.

You don't skid on the water, you dig in, flip, and break up. When one of those boats gets out of shape they typically disintegrate, a detachable capsule frees the driver to skip and loose energy slowly. They carry on-board air to keep the driver alive until the rescue crew gets there.

A taller (and suitably strong) windscreen probably would have prevented JW's death and Massa's injury. There really is no need to fully enclose the drivers.
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A taller (and suitably strong) windscreen probably would have prevented JW's death and Massa's injury. There really is no need to fully enclose the drivers.
... yep. Just like what the majority of the TF teams would rather have.
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Look at the evolution of open wheel/cockpit cars too. Front & especially side cockpit cowling have risen dramatically since the '70's. Heck you used to be able to see drivers hands & shoulders sawing at the steering wheel! Now you barely see the top of the helmet, even in TF.
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There really is no good reason to have a driver's head exposed. A piece of carbon may weigh 2-3 lbs but if its coming at you at 100-200 mph its going to feel like a load of concrete brick. The drivers really need to speak up here to FIA and get some real solutions going.
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Old 08-28-2015
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Boat racers use them for an entirely different purpose... like not drowning.
LOL...Ya it has nothing to do with a 260 mph impact on water.....
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Old 08-30-2015
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Interesting how many comments are, what if the driver is upside down and the safety personnel cannot open the canopy, goes back to the old days, seat belts unsafe, airbags unsafe, hans device unsafe, Time to step up and fix this.
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Old 08-31-2015
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Some quick answers here

Dragsters and drag boats run for very short periods of time whereas a Indy/F1 run for long periods and no room for air-conditioning and/or vents for driver saftey and fume removal. High speed optical clarity is also an issue, dirt, tire debris, water and oil over a small veiwing portal will increase increase viewing danger, Tear-offs on NASCAR windows work because they are flat and a large enough area that the driver can always see the big picture. You cant get a tear off to mold around a bubble plus adding mutible layers of them without visual distortion. Constant distortion will make one sick and zipping around at 200+ wheel to wheel a driver has to be alert and able to see clearly or he/she and others will crash
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Dragsters and drag boats run for very short periods of time whereas a Indy/F1 run for long periods and no room for air-conditioning and/or vents for driver saftey and fume removal. High speed optical clarity is also an issue, dirt, tire debris, water and oil over a small veiwing portal will increase increase viewing danger, Tear-offs on NASCAR windows work because they are flat and a large enough area that the driver can always see the big picture. You cant get a tear off to mold around a bubble plus adding mutible layers of them without visual distortion. Constant distortion will make one sick and zipping around at 200+ wheel to wheel a driver has to be alert and able to see clearly or he/she and others will crash
Some good input but they race these cars in the pouring down rain so I don't think visibility issues are completely to blame for not installing canopies as of yet. This is F1, some of the smartest and most highly skilled engineers in the world. If they truly wanted to invent a tear off for a bubble I think they could do it. I think this is a nostalgia issue with the Old Guard likely behind the resistance.
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