What about a Competitive Ford in Pro Stock !

What about a Competitive Ford in Pro Stock !

b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
edited May 2018 in NHRA
I know there must still be some Ford fans out there that would love to see a Ford again in Pro Stock. I know that Robert Patrick and others do well in IHRA but how about NHRA? When Scott Geoffrion was racing Hurley Blakeny's Escort they did pretty well. I know that at that time Bob Panella was building there engines. I asked Scott at Seattle if they got any help from Ford and responded "absoultely nothing". They would not even help out with blocks. They were pretty low buck but ran good. The only other Ford I knew of was the lotto winner Jim Cunningham and I asked him the same question a couple years ago and again same answer. No help from Ford. Scott said that all Ford drag racing dollars went to John Force Racing and he is not getting into Pro Stock. If anyone knows of a way to email someone at Ford maybe we could get something going for someone out there. It is nice to see great competition from Mopar and GM but Ford needs to be in there also. Just wondering if anyone else out there thinks the same thing. Thanks, Brian
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  • edited September 2006
    Ford knows what's going on and apparently isn't interested. They could care less if a few or a few thousand guys sent them email.
  • RCN4HIMRCN4HIM Junior Member
    edited September 2006
    Isn't going to happen, especially with the trouble Ford's in financially.

    This doesn't explain the fact why thier messing with Nitro Motors though:confused:

    It would seem feasable to have a competitive engine program with a corporate cash infusion to a Panella or Kaase :cool:
  • jpeejpee Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    I just saw in the news where Ford is laying off 10,000 & trying to buy out others with a 1 time payout of 35k to 100k depending how long they have worked for Ford.. if they are THAT bad of shape.. they aint gonna spend an extra 1 or 2 mil for a Pro Stock...
  • Joe T.Joe T. Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Panella and Iaconio had qualifying Ford power in NHRA trim. Going with the Blue Oval is just making it harder on yourself. It is a bad business plan to choose to be at a disadvantage. . It’s hard enough to keep up as it is
  • FordflashbackFordflashback Junior Member
    edited September 2006
    I'm hoping Jack Roush gets back into PS. He certainly could pull it all together, Ford, sponsors, drivers, etc. Maybe a 4-dr PS Fusion 'Taxi'. LOL A Ford powered JFR funny and a Ford Roush PS would be the bomb. We'll see.
  • KNIGHTRIDERKNIGHTRIDER Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Didn't they develop a new ford motor that would work in P/S but nhra:rolleyes: wouldn't ok it?:confused:
    Something to due with bore spacings or something like that.
  • RCN4HIMRCN4HIM Junior Member
    edited September 2006
    Bubba wrote:
    I would like to know how much support Force gets from Ford. He pays tribute to his sponsors but seems to just add Ford in there to be polite.

    Seems to me thier much more than a "accociate sponsor", with access to a wind tunnel in Mustang Body developement (Tasca is the only other with acess to the 05 Mustang body with help from Force), Courtney and Brittany driving "Ford" Powered Super Comp Cars, (I watched first round at Indy in SC and could'nt identify a Ford Powered SC), finally - I've been hearing FORD before Castrol in John's interviews lately?

    I'm a Ford fan but if I ever had the $$$$ to move up to Pro-Stock it would be foolish financially to re-invent the wheel, Which unfortanetly is now GM and Mopar.

    Now.... :rolleyes: If NHRA went back to small blocks that's another story... 5 years ago I bought a bunch of used NASCAR stuff and put together a 357" motor that Dynoed at 752 HP with a 950 Holley and a Nitrous cam and that technology was a few years old when I got it (Yates heads & Intake)

    Ford is very competitive in the Small Block Arena (NMRA)

    Whoops - gotta get back to work;)
  • edited September 2006
    I'm hoping Jack Roush gets back into PS. He certainly could pull it all together, Ford, sponsors, drivers, etc. Maybe a 4-dr PS Fusion 'Taxi'. LOL A Ford powered JFR funny and a Ford Roush PS would be the bomb. We'll see.

    FFB: Roush had trouble making HP in NASCAR until teaming with Yates. Perhaps he could put an overall deal together using another engine-builder.
  • SPIKE 06SPIKE 06 Member
    edited September 2006
    I have a feeling the next car maker to enter pro stock will have to be from farther East, Far East that is! This will no doubt occur at the same time you will tune the car by laptop.
  • edited September 2006
    As the crew chief for the only Ford NHRA Pro Stock operation I feel I might be qualified to post on this thread.....

    1. Ford is not interested in sponsoring a Ford Pro Stock.
    1a. Ford is not interested in developing new pieces for NHRA Pro Stock due to a lack of demand....this is purely business, we hope to change this.

    2. We are working with Ford Racing and are getting fresh E-460 castings from them, we hope to have them in the next month

    3. We are in the process of establishing an in-house engine program here in Crofton. We have spent a considerable amount of funds to purchase/hire the required equipment, parts and personnel to develop a competitive engine package. We decided to miss most of the events this year so we can concentrate on building our shop and research and development. We are very close to where we need to be....very close.

    4. The Cunningham family is committed to fielding a competitive program for 2007.

    Finally, we are really excited about next year and we hope to give all of the Ford fans out there something to cheer about.

    Thanks
    Tom Sweeny
    Crew Chief
    Cunningham Motorsports
  • anotheridiotanotheridiot Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Me three. I could care less if ford gets back into prostock. But he said exactally what Ford is looking for.

    1. Ford will throw some 460 castings, cunningham will spend the hundreds of thousands for the machine work to do it.

    2. John Force hired Tim Gibson to build the last two bodies for the Mustang. All ford does is let them use the emblems and the light stickers. All the development of the funny car was done by force, paid by force, just so nobody but force would be able to run the car. If ford had anything at all to do with the development of the funny car race body, they would be pushing other people to use it.

    3. Ford will stay in nascar since there are more people that will actually buy a car they watch race 42 sundays.
  • Justin LeagueJustin League Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Thanks for the update Tom. Good luck to you and the Cunningham team. Pro Stock is a tough class and I wish you the best. I would like nothing better than a competitive Ford in Pro Stock again. I thought we had it with the Blakney/Geoffrion/Panella Nitro Fish car but it never really materialized.
  • RCN4HIMRCN4HIM Junior Member
    edited September 2006
    2. John Force hired Tim Gibson to build the last two bodies for the Mustang. All ford does is let them use the emblems and the light stickers. All the development of the funny car was done by force, paid by force, just so nobody but force would be able to run the car. If ford had anything at all to do with the development of the funny car race body, they would be pushing other people to use it.

    This is from Force on 9/27/06 "John Force Chashing Longevety"(Yesterday)

    "Ford Motor Company invests big money, along with Castrol, AAA, all of these sponsors, to go out here and win a championship. That allows me to hire the brain trust that I have – Austin Coil, Bernie Fedderly, Jim Prock, John Medlen – this machine that I have. I have the tools to work with – the wind tunnels that Ford gives us the opportunity to work with. We have our own motor program right now, trying to build a Ford-fuel motor that will come out next January or February. All of these tools gives [enables] us to beat the competition!"
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Tom. Thanks for the update. I talked to Jim Cunningham in the Seattle pits for quite awile a couple years ago. Really nice guy. I hope your team does well. I believe that Force get's big bucks from Ford. I don't really buy the Ford is struggling to survive argument. GM and Chrysler are not doing all that great and they have alot invested in racing programs. Ford has plenty of money for racing sponsorships and could dedicate a small percentage to Pro Stock if they chose to. The Blakeny/Pannella program ran pretty good in a short time. Two final rounds i think? I am sure it is a struggle to be the only Ford and all the rest are GM/Mopar and if you have enough cash you can rent an engine that can qualify. Us Ford guy's have always had to spend more and work harder than the others. Probably will always be that way.
    I assume you be running something other than the Escort? Can you give us any info? Maybe a Fusion? Thanks again for the heads up on your program and good luck. Brian
  • edited September 2006
    We will be running the Escort for a little while yet, a new car is in the planning and we hope to have a new Jerry Haas car by the spring.

    As far as Ford and Pro Stock.....with only one car out there there really isn't any reason for them to be interested in spending the kind of money it would take to develop a new block, which is what we really need. Believe it or not the E-460 heads are pretty good, they are very close to the DRCEII design and we feel that we can get them to perform on the same level.

    We hope to develop a competitive package, with what we have, if we can the demand is out there and at that point we might be able to get Ford to talk about the new R and D that we need.

    One thing everyone has to remember is that it's not just horsepower, in Pro Stock, probably nmore that any class, it is a combination of H.P. chassis setup, clutch program and driver ability, as well as the ability to tune for the condititons and the track.

    This is what makes the Summit team so good, they have the whole package, as well as more on track time and data than just about anyone else.

    Thanks

    Tom Sweeny
  • edited September 2006
    From what I understand they have access to an 1/8 mile track to test on.....

    We have a 1/4 mile track 100 yards from the shop:D
  • edited September 2006
    One other thing...the Lotto thing is pretty much a myth...Jim has been lucky, but not to the extent most people believe. Our funding comes from hard work at Capitol Raceway and Cunningham Sand and Gravel.
  • FordflashbackFordflashback Junior Member
    edited September 2006
    Toby wrote:
    We will be running the Escort for a little while yet, a new car is in the planning and we hope to have a new Jerry Haas car by the spring.
    Thanks for giving us Ford guys some new hope Tom! :) What body are you using, Mustang?
  • edited September 2006
    Thanks for giving us Ford guys some new hope Tom! :) What body are you using, Mustang?

    Currently we are using an Escort....we plan on having a Mustang or two by the spring
  • KlayjahKlayjah Senior Member
    edited September 2006
    Tom, are there any plans to have the car out at any of the remaining events this year? And thanks for all the inside info! I was afraid he had quit. :eek:

    I spent some time talking to Mr. Cunningham last year I think (it was the last year he ran most if not all of the events) at the Atlanta race and I thought he was a "regular" approachable guy. Not like most in the P/S field that has their pit area roped off, engine covered up and covers hanging all around and over the car. Mr. Cunningham made a lasting impression on me that day because he took the time and truly seemed like he wanted to talk about racing with me. The only reason I went to the race that year was to see the lone Ford in P/S attempt to qualify.

    Well, I hope the whole package comes together for next year so I'll have someone to cheer for and a reason to watch and go to some events. My only reason for watching now is to pull for the underdogs and hope someone beats wj or ga on a holeshot. ;)

    Good Luck!
  • edited October 2006
    With Ford having major problems right now, it is a great opportunity to let Ford know. They know racing sells cars. It would be good for fans to let them know. Check it out at http://www.fordboldmoves.com
    These folks are don't have a fix on the customer anymore. It could be time to open there eyes some. Lot's of Ford NHRA history was dealer backed as opposed to manufacturer backed, it's tight for dealers right now. But it's a great time to change that. Let em know, they listen better when they are watching there tails. It helps to let them know that nearly a third of the country will attend a powerade event this year, they advertise 2 cars at a time in NHRA instead of 20. It's the cheapest advertising return on the market.

    Speak-up!
  • edited October 2006
    Klayjah wrote:
    Tom, are there any plans to have the car out at any of the remaining events this year? And thanks for all the inside info! I was afraid he had quit. :eek:

    I spent some time talking to Mr. Cunningham last year I think (it was the last year he ran most if not all of the events) at the Atlanta race and I thought he was a "regular" approachable guy. Not like most in the P/S field that has their pit area roped off, engine covered up and covers hanging all around and over the car. Mr. Cunningham made a lasting impression on me that day because he took the time and truly seemed like he wanted to talk about racing with me. The only reason I went to the race that year was to see the lone Ford in P/S attempt to qualify.

    Well, I hope the whole package comes together for next year so I'll have someone to cheer for and a reason to watch and go to some events. My only reason for watching now is to pull for the underdogs and hope someone beats wj or ga on a holeshot. ;)

    Good Luck!

    Thanks...we will be in Richmond, mainly to go out and have some fun.....we plan on being in Fla in Jan for some extensive testing, then run all of the events next year.


    Tom
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Do you know who to send emails to rearding racing sponsoships? I would really like to see a Ford in NHRA Pro Stock and if an email campaign could at least give someone a few bucks or parts that would be a start. Ford used to be awfully proud of all of Bob Gliddens achievements. His pit area used to be crowded like Force's is now. Brian
  • FordflashbackFordflashback Junior Member
    edited October 2006
    Do you know who to send emails to rearding racing sponsoships? I would really like to see a Ford in NHRA Pro Stock and if an email campaign could at least give someone a few bucks or parts that would be a start. Ford used to be awfully proud of all of Bob Gliddens achievements. His pit area used to be crowded like Force's is now. Brian

    Right, they USED TO BE proud of Glidden. I guess that'll never happen again, Bob made sure of that.
  • edited October 2006
    Do you know who to send emails to rearding racing sponsoships? I would really like to see a Ford in NHRA Pro Stock and if an email campaign could at least give someone a few bucks or parts that would be a start. Ford used to be awfully proud of all of Bob Gliddens achievements. His pit area used to be crowded like Force's is now. Brian


    You could try www.fordracing.com and use their contact form, or join the forum and start a new thread;) .

    We would love the chance to make Ford and Ford fans proud again......

    Most of the people that were involved with Bob have retired....;)

    Thank you for your support

    You might mention that this thread alone has had almost 1,000 views

    Tom Sweeny
    Cunningham Motorsports
  • Joe T.Joe T. Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Right, they USED TO BE proud of Glidden. I guess that'll never happen again, Bob made sure of that.


    Anyone here ever read anything about Bob Glidden not being the brains behind the Ford engine that propelled him to domination from ’85-’89? A friend of mine has an uncle that was involved with Ford back in the Gapp&Roush days. He always had a less than positive view of Bob. At the same time he would never “tell the story” either. I always assumed it was a “Ford secret”, could have been a damaged ego as well. Makes you wonder why Bob was the only Ford back then. At least the only one you would see racing.
    On a side note, back when Jim Yates hit it big in Pro Stock, he said Bob advised him against running a Ford. I read this right in the ND. ….
  • edited October 2006
    competitivenes(ouch) , Ford and Prostock shouldnt be used in the same sentence...
  • DrewDrew Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    I'm hoping Jack Roush gets back into PS.

    That's not going to happen. Jack seems pretty content with his involvement with NMRA and it's a perfect fit because he can develop and sell his Roush Mustangs there. Not to mention he's able to get involved with his children driving. In an interview in Race Pages, he even mentions that he would like to drive again if he had the time for it.
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    I was and still am a huge Bob Glidden fan. He has always very fan friendly. But I can also see that he is a very driven person and probably will never be happy working for/with someone else. I remember getting at the track when gates open and Bob would have his car scattered all over the place and other top teams did not even have the awnings pulled out yet. I have a whole wall in my shop of almost all of his handouts from over the years.
    If any of you remeber the Budweiser Super Team that lasted all of one season around 1985 I heard a few Glidden stories then. I know that they had Bernstein, Glidden, Iaconio, Tinsley and VanCleeve. probably more but I can't remember. Anyway, a friend of mine was on VanCleeve's crew and I guess Bob did not want anything to do with anyone else on the team and that was that. He wanted to run his own show and at the time it would have been hard to disagree. He was winning alot of championships. I know towards the end of his Ford involvement he was getting frustrated with Fords lack of support. He felt that the Boss engine had reached the point of "diminishing returns". The wedge was just getting going. Would be interesting to see what he could do with the new heads that are similiar to DRCEIII and some developement time. I hope for the sport that he has not retired for good. Has anyone from the Jim Cunningham team ever contacted him to see if he would be interested? It may have already been said but Bob should do like the Grump and just do engines and let others run the show. Brian
  • enraehenraeh Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    But I can also see that he is a very driven person and probably will never be happy working for/with someone else.

    On an NHRA Today episode a few months back, the team Glidden was with (a few teams ago) had released him and the mouthpiece said "Bob was unable to delegate the work and wanted to do everything himself".
    The guy is driven to win and has probably experienced the problems that come with trying to explain what you want done and why. He was and still is a pioneer and champion in my humble opinion.


    As an aside, does anyone know what ever happened to Gordie Rivera ??

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