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What about a Competitive Ford in Pro Stock !

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  • edited October 2006
    Kile wrote:
    Ford refers to the 4.6/ 5.4 stuff as 'cammer in many areas, including the Performance Parts book.

    Toby,
    Nice set of passes on the Escort this weekend. Did you guys test either before Richmond or stay over Monday? Also, what about that welder(lol) driving the car, didn't either of the Cunningham team drivers want to run that quick?

    We actually didn't get a chance to test at all.....(well 4 laps at Capitol and I shook it like a A/FC on all four passes)that's why Jerry was driving, Jim hasn't stepped out of the seat, we just didn't have the opportunity to get him some seat time before the event. Richmond was pretty much our test session. We were hoping to run at the Grove, but that didn't work out due to the rain out and scheduling issues. If we had we might have had the first ford in the 6.60's. This was with the combination that we ran in Pomona and Pheonix that ran a .95, I had someone who seems to know what they are doing (LMAO...couldn't resist Curt) do some head work (obviously he knew what he was doing) and we put the motor together with some new parts. If we had known that there would be an extra month due to the weather we could have had something for the big boys.

    Racemaster...until I get a letter or document from the NHRA stating that the B-441 head is approved for competition in the NHRA I have to concentrate on the E-460. We don't have the time, personnel or money to develop a non-approved part.

    Stand by Ford Fans....we will give you something to cheer about in 2007.
  • Mustang EddieMustang Eddie Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Toby wrote:
    We actually didn't get a chance to test at all.....(well 4 laps at Capitol and I shook it like a A/FC on all four passes)that's why Jerry was driving, Jim hasn't stepped out of the seat, we just didn't have the opportunity to get him some seat time before the event. Richmond was pretty much our test session. We were hoping to run at the Grove, but that didn't work out due to the rain out and scheduling issues. If we had we might have had the first ford in the 6.60's. This was with the combination that we ran in Pomona and Pheonix that ran a .95, I had someone who seems to know what they are doing (LMAO...couldn't resist Curt) do some head work (obviously he knew what he was doing) and we put the motor together with some new parts. If we had known that there would be an extra month due to the weather we could have had something for the big boys.

    Racemaster...until I get a letter or document from the NHRA stating that the B-441 head is approved for competition in the NHRA I have to concentrate on the E-460. We don't have the time, personnel or money to develop a non-approved part.

    Stand by Ford Fans....we will give you something to cheer about in 2007.
    Tom, Hope that last sentence rings true. Good luck to you & the Cunninghams in the future.:)
  • Dave Renk'....Dave Renk'.... Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    I ran across this on the web:

    http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-6010-A500.pdf

    Is this the NHRA accepted block.....or????
  • edited October 2006
    If it's the 6010 A500 then that's the block that is approved by the NHRA for ProStock.
  • edited October 2006
    Toby wrote:
    I had someone who seems to know what they are doing (LMAO...couldn't resist Curt) do some head work (obviously he knew what he was doing)

    Toby,

    was that an attempt at a compliment, .. cause I'll take all I can get.
    ( thanks for the kind words )

    Too bad your engine builder doesn't like me much or we could make
    some serious power, .. but Jim's keeping me involved on the side, . .
    good thing too, .. as I had a BLAST at the track with you guys.

    All the other people I do head work for don't let me work on the car at
    the track, .. ( maybe they know somewthing you don't )
    but you & Joe let me take a valve cover off, .. and use
    that round thingy with a handle, .. a socket, ..

    Paul, Joe, .. you, .. Jim, .. GREAT bunch, .. good fun.
    Paul's going to help with a freinds' small block comp car, .. he's buying
    a Liberty from Jim, .. Pauls a really good guy, .. and damn good clutch guy.

    Anything you ever need, .. . ;-)

    Ford forever ! !

    Curtis
  • edited October 2006
    I heard he's interested in getting a little dog and a dragster with a turbo....you will get along fine....:D
  • ford1ford1 Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Toby I for one wish you and jim and the whole crew nothing but great things in '07!! And thanks for giving us ford fans something to cheer about!!!;)
  • ford1ford1 Senior Member
    edited October 2006
    Toby when do we get to see the new 'stang?:D
  • edited October 2006
    That's up to Jim and Jerry. I know that Jerry is running at max right now so we will have to be a little patient. He's got something like 10 of the top qualifiers in P/S and a ton of Comp guys as customers and I guess there is a case of new car-itis right now.

    This Escort we have is pretty fresh, and Aero wise it's pretty slick.
  • edited October 2006
    Going back to the early 60's ....I recall the Thunderbolts and Falcons....then
    Pro Stock Pintos and Mavericks.....Mustangs.....It was such an incredible
    feat watching Glidden's Thunderbird and Probes singlehandedly dominating
    year after year Pro Stock.....I remember the event at Pomona when it
    was announced We were probably seeing Bob Glidden's last run in Pro Stock
    being factory backed.....All the best to the achieving A Competitive
    Pro Stock Ford in 2007 to Cunningham Team !
  • edited October 2006
    how about a crazy paint job....you guys don't seem to have a sponor so plez run with it thier are not many cool painted up sponsor rides out thier...i like stanfields scheam thought...i really like hugger orange:D
  • RacemasterRacemaster Senior Member
    edited October 2006

    That engine is actually a Windsor headed (Canfield) 302 crate engine.

    The bigger news is the new Boss Mustang and Truck engine. It will be an SOHC with dual plugs with 5.8 liter for the Mustang and 6.2 for the F-150. It is also 7 liter capable. It is not related to the Modular any in any way. It is similar in size to the old 427 Cammer. It has bigger bore centers, and better flowing heads.
  • edited November 2006
    Racemaster wrote:
    That engine is actually a Windsor headed (Canfield) 302 crate engine.

    The bigger news is the new Boss Mustang and Truck engine. It will be an SOHC with dual plugs with 5.8 liter for the Mustang and 6.2 for the F-150. It is also 7 liter capable. It is not related to the Modular any in any way. It is similar in size to the old 427 Cammer. It has bigger bore centers, and better flowing heads.
    havent seen it that would be cool could someone post a link
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited November 2006
    Is Jim Cunningham going to be testing this winter in preperation for 2007?
  • edited November 2006
    Yes, we plan on some extensive testing in January and Febuary.
  • ford1ford1 Senior Member
    edited November 2006
    Toby wrote:
    Yes, we plan on some extensive testing in January and Febuary.


    I'll keep my eyes open!! And good luck next year!;)
  • edited November 2006
    Thanks...It's pretty amazing how much support is out there...we really appreciate it, fans of the Blue Oval are our biggest motivators.
  • edited November 2006
    how about a crazy paint job....you guys don't seem to have a sponor so plez run with it thier are not many cool painted up sponsor rides out thier...i like stanfields scheam thought...i really like hugger orange:D


    IF we don't have a sponsor it will have to be "Cunningham" red....but expect flames:D .

    We plan on having a sponsor tho;) . And if we do it will be cool...promise.
  • edited November 2006
    Toby wrote:
    Yes, we plan on some extensive testing in January and Febuary.

    Just wondering what going to be used for power? Last word out of Maryland (this week) was that in house engine program was still dead in the water with no new engines even close to being put together. Not even the best of the best in pro stock could pull off what it would take to get things out on the track by Jan. I feel bad for Jimmy. More disappointment............
  • edited November 2006
    I certainly wouldn't call it dead....don't know who you got your info from but the parts and pieces are coming together and we plan to stick to our stated schedule with our own power.
  • edited November 2006
    old drager wrote:
    Just wondering what going to be used for power? Last word out of Maryland (this week) was that in house engine program was still dead in the water with no new engines even close to being put together. Not even the best of the best in pro stock could pull off what it would take to get things out on the track by Jan. I feel bad for Jimmy. More disappointment............


    Hate to say it Tom, . . but he's right.

    No team can take an entire year off, ..have their engine builder sit
    around and not build a single engine for that year, .. slap together
    some new parts and qualify for pro stock.

    Your guy should have been pounding the engine parts he had on they dyno
    for the last year if for anything just to learn what makes a pro stock tick.

    The heads I looked at from "kong" would have qualified this year, no
    different then the DRCE stuff I've worked on.They just needed a few tweeks.

    It's not an easy thing to do for any engine builder I wish him best of luck.

    Curtis
  • edited November 2006
    RFD wrote:
    Hate to say it Tom, . . but he's right.

    No team can take an entire year off, ..have their engine builder sit
    around and not build a single engine for that year, .. slap together
    some new parts and qualify for pro stock.

    Your guy should have been pounding the engine parts he had on they dyno
    for the last year if for anything just to learn what makes a pro stock tick.

    The heads I looked at from "kong" would have qualified this year, no
    different then the DRCE stuff I've worked on.They just needed a few tweeks.

    I wish Jim would listen to you, .. you're the only one that got that car
    down the track in the last year.

    Curtis

    I'm confused...I thought that the taller, older guy on the team ( I forget his name, but I've seen him with a couple of other teams over the past few years) was making the calls on the car while Toby "tuned" the motor
  • edited November 2006
    old drager wrote:
    I'm confused...I thought that the taller, older guy on the team ( I forget his name, but I've seen him with a couple of other teams over the past few years) was making the calls on the car while Toby "tuned" the motor


    Taller & Older ?, .. did you see him in Richmond?

    Cause I'm taller & Older and have worked with other teams, .. and
    was with Toby in Richmond, ..

    Paul is the clutch guy, .. but he's not taller, .. .. Jerry Haas, .. but he's not
    taller, .. ??

    But as far as I know Toby calls the shots other then Jim.
  • edited November 2006
    Hey Curtis, How you doing? I've been following this thread for awhile and finally had to chime in. This might just be my ego talking but, just to set the record straight. Except for the motor, everything else on the car has been my call. The input from Jerry Haas was very helpful with the 4-link in Richmond. Been out there too long and working too hard to allow someone else take credit for it. Good or bad. Have a good turkey day. Talk with you soon. Paul
  • edited November 2006
    Paul Lavoie is an intregal part of the crew, although he doesn't like the title car chief, that's what he is. His experience in setting up the car as well as the clutch and transmission will be one of the major keys to achieving our goals. The years he has put in on the circuit is a major asset in organizing our pit procedures and maintenance routines.

    Joe Greenwich does the engine maintenance as well as pitching in wherever needed, he works pretty much unsupervised and remembers everything. His years of experience with Jim and this particular race car are invaluable.

    Bill Ryan helps Paul, as well as changing the rear end and trying to keep everything clean.
    Joe and Bill just finished the first installment of their CNC training.

    That's the road crew, Kim, Christina, Mrs. Cunningham and Joy keep the office running , handle the travel arangments and pay the bills.

    Jamie Seger is working in the engine shop, he's the guy all of the pressure is on right now.

    Curtis helped with the heads and intake we ran in richmond, he has been a great help.

    All of the above are critical to getting the car competitive.

    I do paper work and get to play with the engine, primarily I stay out of the way. I work for the Cunninghams, I think my role would be called more of Team Manager than Crew Chief, but that's what my title is.

    After seeing the parts list we just ordered, and knowing the status of the various programs going on right now, I think I would be the one to know if we plan on testing and when, and just what is dead or not. The goal is to have the first Engine built and ready for us to test with in January. As of this date I believe we can make that goal.

    I hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving. And a Merry Christmas
  • edited November 2006
    Hey Curtis, How you doing? I've been following this thread for awhile and finally had to chime in. This might just be my ego talking but, just to set the record straight. Except for the motor, everything else on the car has been my call. The input from Jerry Haas was very helpful with the 4-link in Richmond. Been out there too long and working too hard to allow someone else take credit for it. Good or bad. Have a good turkey day. Talk with you soon. Paul


    Hi Paul !,

    I'm glad you posted, . . after what I saw at Richmond I have a tremendous
    amount of respect for you. Plus I had such a good time in general.
    it's good you set things strait, .. you do a great job with the car and should
    get the credit you deserve.

    How have you been?, .. , .. my best to you & family for the holidays. ;-)

    Tom, .. I'm glad you listed the crew, they deserve a pat on the back
    and are a great bunch of guys & girls. I'm sorry if I posted out of line regarding the engine shop, ..
    I know all too well the Task Jamie has at hand, .. it's huge and he really doesn't have much help.

    Curtis
  • ford1ford1 Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    Toby whats the latest on the mustang and engine?;)
  • edited December 2006
    Hi,
    have anybody been thinking about the Ford Focus Coupé body-style that is coming out '07 (or '08??).
    Now that would be cool, and not resemble as much to the Force FC's.
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    Noticed in the new National Dragster thar Bob panella has a Ford Pro Stock listed as "new" for sale for $85,000. I am not sure what it costs to build a Ford Pro Stock engine but these engines were pretty strong when they were running a couple years ago. Of course they may be outdated already also. They must have had some R&D in building them and good horsepower. I thought that maybe when Bob Panella Jr. came out that it could have been in a Ford bacuase of there past success supplying engines to Hurley Blakeny. Guess they don't want to run a Ford either. Bummer. We still have Jim Cunningham to root for. Would be cool if they could team up with another Ford interested team and pool there resources and get somewhere a little faster. Brian

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