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What about a Competitive Ford in Pro Stock !

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  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    OK, I'll go through all these 17 pages and find it.

    But it might be NEXT YEAR before I see that post! :D

    Regarding RACING and BUDGET and SELLING CARS, I notice Ford tells Force to run a Mustang.

    But a Mustang is wider and bigger than that Escort.

    So my point was and still is, Ford wants to promote the Mustang, so the F/C class and all the added excitement of nitromethane seems to be the perfect fit.

    Are the NHRA P/S body rules set up to where a Mustang body could be sliced and diced to the point where it would not be a disadvantage to run it as compared to Escort?

    I didn't happen to see any Escorts at the dealer today, I left there so damn upset when I found out Joey the sales manager didn't even know what NHRA stood for!!!

    HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL THE PEOPLE!

    James - Actually NHRA would not allow Robert Patrick give the nip tuck treatment to the Mustang they where running at the time. IHRA did allow the narrowed nose. That's why the Mustang stayed around in IHRA trim. Of course several ZX2's ran with success in IHRA also. I don't know if NHRA has approved the new Mustang nose job that the IHRA guys are running, but I hope they do. But your right a Ford Pro Stocker should be a Mustang!!!
  • RacemasterRacemaster Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    sharx wrote:
    James - Actually NHRA would not allow Robert Patrick give the nip tuck treatment to the Mustang they where running at the time. IHRA did allow the narrowed nose. That's why the Mustang stayed around in IHRA trim. Of course several ZX2's ran with success in IHRA also. I don't know if NHRA has approved the new Mustang nose job that the IHRA guys are running, but I hope they do. But your right a Ford Pro Stocker should be a Mustang!!!

    The GT 500 like Patrick's and Nobile's is legal for NHRA, rescaled just as the GM and Mopar teams are allowed.
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited December 2006
    gary4205 wrote:
    Sharx, I know you love Pro stock. I also know it pisses you off that Ford's racing division is shootin' the moon on Force. My guess is they are like Mopar. There isn't a whole bunch of money out there for them to spend. In fact, John Force's budget is much larger than Mopar's entire advert budget!

    My guess is Ford feels they get the best bang for the buck with JFR. Force is THE winningest drag racer. He has a TV show were he and his kids can say FORD a lot! ( and Ford doesn't have to buy that ad!) John and Ashley were in Auto Club ads that aired during the World Finals, a bunch. What were they driving again? Oh yeah, a Mustang.

    Aren't Britney and Courtney's cars Ford powered? My guess is there a couple of parts from the Blue Oval on them.

    Back to Mopar, there ain't a whole lot of Nitro parts in their catalog either. But they spend a fair dollar in the fuel classes. There IS a Mopar part number for the Funny Car bodies! Yes Mopar does spend money in the Pro Stock ranks. They develop parts for Pro Stock. They also spend a good deal of money in the Craftsman Truck Series and in WoO Sprint Car racing. And of course, Dodge has a big budget for Busch and Nextel Cup.

    I bet if we could set down with Ford, they would tell us, they feel that in drag racing, JFR is the best expenditure of ad dollars. I bet they also feel NASCAR Busch and Nextel Cup racing is also a higher priority than anything.

    And, let's face it, NASCAR is the "thousand pound gorrilla" in the room! Remember, when Ford was spending tons of money in drag racing, especially Pro Stock, NASCAR was this little regional sport. ( don't get me started on that!) NASCAR now sucks up all the air in the room.

    For NHRA Pro Stock to warrant the big sponsor dollars, from anyone, NHRA needs to work harder at getting the class some TV time. They also need to put forth an effort to educate and excite the casual, and most probably nitro, fan.

    We're racers, we get excited by 330 mph runs. We get excited about side by side .000010 finnishes in Pro Stock. We get pumped up at a good bracket race and even marvel at a great run in the Super classes! The casual fan likes loud noise and flames!

    Sharx, we have a complicated issue. There is no one reason why Ford choses not to field a Pro Stocker, even when it seems to make great sense. (to us) They do however MAKE parts for the faithful. I posted a link in a previous rant. It could be worse, they could not have developed a catalog. Looking at their HP Crate Motors, they are pretty reasonably priced. Priced a Hemi lately?

    I guess the deal is to write Ford Racing a letter and ask why they aren't involved in your favorite class. At least they will know there is some interest.
    I think John Force is a great racer but Ford is over estimating his Funny Car value as compared to Pro Stock. If Force wants to continue his success he better had take a close look at Pro Stock. At this point he is only one dimensional, limiting himself to just nitro Funny Car racing. Ford also needs to get their head out of the sand and do some sponsoring of a PS Ford.
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    Maybe that's the way we will see a Ford back in Pro Stock? DSR understands that if he wants to control the money from Mother Mopar he needed to be multi diminsional with vehicles in multiple classes. I also think Don found out Pro Stock is a very difficult class. Unlike the fuel classes it takes more than a mountain of money and someone crazy enough to strap their rearends in the car. Now before anyone takes me out of context and tries to say that Fuel drivers have no skills, that's not what I'm saying. But if one wants to be a sucsessful driver in Pro Stock they better hit every shift point dead-on and be on the tree. The fuel cars are not nearly as demanding in that respect and if you have the mountain of money you can buy the best parts and crew and be a competitive right away. Pro Stock is not that easy it takes more than Money as DSR and others have found out. I could certainly wrap my head around a JFR Pro Stocker. As long as others could get the parts. Plus can you imagine the PR machine with JFR Pro Stocker? they would have another angle to talk about John Force. It would beat the John Force toe nail clippings article they are writing as we speak:rolleyes: :D
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    Now Larry, and don't be upset with this question, but have you ever been to a national event?

    John Force Racing has quite an operation, he runs numerous F/Cs and his daughters raced three different dragsters, he's on TV every week and has the largest following of any drag racer on the planet and you're on here saying he's ONE DIMENSIONAL?

    Larry, I can help get you to a track so you can actually see some reality. Where should I send the check to help with your ticket for a national event? It's a shame you're so interested in the sport but have never set foot on a drag strip. :eek:

    James I'll let Larry take your Money if you giving it out, But the question I have for you John Force fan that you are, have you ever looked through a Ford Racing Parts Catalog?? Or better yet bought anything from them???? I have, 460 cylinder heads, manifold, and I am in the market for a block and new heads. So I think that makes me qualified to ask why Ford Racing Parts is Sponsoring JFR instead of Ford Mustang Brand Marketing sponsoring JFR. That is my beef.
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited December 2006
    Now Larry, and don't be upset with this question, but have you ever been to a national event?

    John Force Racing has quite an operation, he runs numerous F/Cs and his daughters raced three different dragsters, he's on TV every week and has the largest following of any drag racer on the planet and you're on here saying he's ONE DIMENSIONAL?

    Larry, I can help get you to a track so you can actually see some reality. Where should I send the check to help with your ticket for a national event? It's a shame you're so interested in the sport but have never set foot on a drag strip. :eek:
    That's kind of you to offer me help and a ticket to a national event. I've been to many national events. All the way from Englishtown to Pomona and most everywhere in between. I've seen the greatest race from the Grump, Garlits, Sox, Dyno and all the rest. Force is the most popular drag racer like you said. But he still could help himself by getting into PS. I think he's big enough even to take on PS. After all Funny really isn't much of a challenge to him and his teams. Let Ashley give it a try in one of those beautiful real looking Mustangs. If she can't cut it let her go back to Funny.
  • RacemasterRacemaster Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    Let's go for 200 posts on this thread.

    I think Ford sends money to Force from the Ford Mustang account as well as the Ford Racing account.
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    How about a new approach, a new direction to get to the 200 post barrier. Here's this angle, Force switch to a "Jag-U-War" body so it doesn't upset the door-slammer guys. It could say "No money from Ford Racing was used on this car" on the rear spoiler. :p

    New car launch money is only used the first year of a new car launch. In this case however it was used in 2006, because the Mustang body was not approved by NHRA for 2005. All Ford monies come from Ford marketing. Now if somone could make a case for the 07 Focus 2 dr coupe in Pro Stock that may bring launch money for that new model.
  • RacemasterRacemaster Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    It seems to be the 07 Escort 2 dr coupe is a little econo-box POS car that the buyers hardly purchase because of racing. The Escort sells to those that can't afford anything better, maybe they don't go to NHRA events. In fact, I highly doubt Ford would waste their time in racing anything with an "Escort" name attached.

    They spent launch money to CAD the ZX2!!!!!!!!!!! My earlier post should have said Focus and not Escort. Worldwide marketing for the Focus is slated to step up substantially. When the European CI Focus platform comes to North America it will step up again. Perfect opportunity. If you don't think Ford Marketing isn't gaming this with Dan Davis you need a better source for your Ford information.
  • edited December 2006
    Racemaster wrote:
    They spent launch money to CAD the ZX2!!!!!!!!!!! My earlier post should have said Focus and not Escort. Worldwide marketing for the Focus is slated to step up substantially. When the European CI Focus platform comes to North America it will step up again. Perfect opportunity. If you don't think Ford Marketing isn't gaming this with Dan Davis you need a better source for your Ford information.

    You hit on this in your earlier post, I can't believe it took so long for someone to get it. The new mustangs are a wide, unaerodynamic car (as compared to the slick small GTOs and Cobalts). NHRA rules won't permit chopping the heck out of the car to get the frontal area and aerodynamics in a range where they need to be to be competitive with the aforementioned cars. The escort zx2 they have been running is small and slick like the other cars, which is why guys like Cunningham and Panella had escorts instead of mustangs.
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited December 2006
    gary4205 wrote:
    Can you give me ONE good reason why John Force would ever want to mess with a Pro Stocker? I'm guessing that Pro Stock is your favorite class, and I respect that fully. But Ashley rowing a 5 speed, I think not!

    Force has more money than he can count. He is a household name in the racing world. (the entire racing world) His entire success has been in floppers. Ashley paid her dues in Super Comp and A/FD. Ashley would have to forget every single bit of her training, and start over, trying to drive a door car. For what? To drive a car that is 50 or 60 MPH slower and damn near 2 seconds slower? Exactly what would be the motivation?

    Why not talk Snake or The Bud man into racing a Pro Stocker? Oh wait, Bud and Ford tried that. Not the best of times!

    There are a bunch of fuel teams that could "diversify"! They aren't interested, so why single out JFR for this attention.

    I'll give myself as an example. I started out on a bike, because, well I had one, and at the time it was all I could afford! I did well on the bike. I actually won enough to cover cost. What would have been the motivation for me to get involved in something else?

    Again, give me one real solid reason why it has to be Force doing Pro Stock? As a business model, it may make sense, but as a practical one, I just don't see it! :cool:
    Some good reasons to run Pro Stock; Pro Stock is the toughest most competitive, most exciting Pro class in drag racing, with the most talented all around racers. Forces competition in Funny is basically weak. Look if you only have to beat Ron Capps the class needs help. Protect Ashley from getting injured in a crash. Look to the future, be flexible Funny Car may not always be the most popular class. Ford needs to sell parts and cars, Force racing does little for either. Dyno Don and Bob Glidden sold more Fords than Force ever will sell. A winning Pro Stock will put more money in Ford's pockets. John is over saturating the Funny Car class, he really only has to beat his own team members. I do think John Force is drag racings greatest ambassador but if he doesn't expand into Pro Stock it might lead to his demise in racing.
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited December 2006
    You hit on this in your earlier post, I can't believe it took so long for someone to get it. The new mustangs are a wide, unaerodynamic car (as compared to the slick small GTOs and Cobalts). NHRA rules won't permit chopping the heck out of the car to get the frontal area and aerodynamics in a range where they need to be to be competitive with the aforementioned cars. The escort zx2 they have been running is small and slick like the other cars, which is why guys like Cunningham and Panella had escorts instead of mustangs.
    Jamie if the new Mustang/GT500 is so wide and unaeroodynamic vs. the Cobalt and GTO I wonder why Robert Patrick's GT500 holds both ends of the IHRA record books at 6.315 @221.27mph?? The Cobalt has been aero tuned like the rest, but am I the only one that can look at the GTO and tell that thing most be 7/8's scale? It's the same size as the Cobalt. Now park all three of these cars along with a Stratus from the Factory next to one another and you'll see what car is the biggest and widest. It ain't that Mustang! Ford has said that the North American market will not get a new Focus until 2009-2010. I've seen the european two-door coupe/retractable hardtop, but NO WAY will Ford prepair that car for racing in America. The Mustang has heritage at the track, it's the only Car that may see the dragstrip at NHRA. I could care less if JFR or Bob Frye fields a Factory supported ( not sponsored ) Ford Pro Stock effort. I just want to see one or more. Hell who knows maybe me and LarryDavis427 could give it a shot. I have some good friends that could get us going in the right direction engine wise. He seems to make plenty of power in a Mopar and is trying his hand at an 820 inch Chevrolet.:D :D
  • yernutsyernuts Member
    edited December 2006
    Gary, you have great automotive knowledge and I think you have been right on the money. Ford is not turning a blind eye to the sportsman class. While at the SEMA show I saw a Drag race trim GT500, the presenter said it ran in the 10's and the intention was to produce it just like the "factory" road race version. I even have pictures. Click on the camera and you can find them. I would like to see a Ford in Pro-Stock also, but I would bet we will most likely see a Pro-stock Toyota first. Hope I'm wrong.

    Dan
  • Nitro-fumesNitro-fumes Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    I find it completely amazing that no one has commented on the fact that Force has two machine shops in which as we speak are building an all FORD block. That takes care of your FORD Racing Parts.

    As for the Pro Stock question, when you spread yourself too thin you begin to suffer in all areas. Force focuses on Funny Car because it is what he and his teams know best (at least thats what 15 team championships indicates to me). I don't think Force or FORD should compromise their success on the track because a couple of people want a FORD in Pro Stock. Also, from what I hear it isn't neccesarily inexpensive to start a team from scratch. But if I'm wrong why don't some of you start flipping a buck into the pot. Because I would really like to see a TEAM SHARX car in Top Fuel and a LARRY SULLIVAN car in Pro Stock. Takes a different effect when it's your money we are talking about doesn't it. I think the Marketing folks know their jobs and their job is to gain exposure not to create good will for the fans.
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    I find it completely amazing that no one has commented on the fact that Force has two machine shops in which as we speak are building an all FORD block. That takes care of your FORD Racing Parts.

    As for the Pro Stock question, when you spread yourself too thin you begin to suffer in all areas. Force focuses on Funny Car because it is what he and his teams know best (at least thats what 15 team championships indicates to me). I don't think Force or FORD should compromise their success on the track because a couple of people want a FORD in Pro Stock. Also, from what I hear it isn't neccesarily inexpensive to start a team from scratch. But if I'm wrong why don't some of you start flipping a buck into the pot. Because I would really like to see a TEAM SHARX car in Top Fuel and a LARRY SULLIVAN car in Pro Stock. Takes a different effect when it's your money we are talking about doesn't it. I think the Marketing folks know their jobs and their job is to gain exposure not to create good will for the fans.

    Nitro Fumes I've got five bucks that says that block will be still-born before it every hits the track, Not cause they won't make a great piece of equipment, but NHRA wil never approve it. I know the Austin family built one and it was a mean piece. If you never heard of it ask NHRA why. As far as that goes ask IHRA why? They wouldn't approve it! The official reason was it would drive up the cost to run a fuel car.:eek: Like it's so reasonable now!!! I hope JFR can get this "Ford" block approved but I won't hold my breath. And if he does, and it doesn't have a Ford part number, and other teams can't buy it, then it ain't no Ford block. Just like the body, make it available to others!! Currently JFR is just using Ford Racing Parts as a shield to protect all of his equipment (bodies) And its a smart move if you can get away with it. As far as a Team Sharx Top Fuel car, if I had a mountain of money in the back yard, (I just double checked... It's not there!) I wouldn't build a Fuel car. I would develop an after shave that smells like nitro to sell to all you nuts! Ha! then with the mountain of money I made from that I'd build a Ford Pro Stock!:D :D BTW it is the JOB of marketing to SELL what they produce! For FORD Racing Parts that should be the parts in the catalog. JFR has none in the catalog. THAT IS MY POINT !!!!
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited January 2007
    Damn this baby shot past 200!

    Well all I know is this: FORD COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT PRO STOCK!

    They love to be associated with a winning nitro team, and if they don't care about Ford Racing parts not being on the Mustang Floppers, why should anyone else.

    Be happy they dump money into racing.

    Pro Stock is just too boring to watch, let alone sponsor. (That must be the feelings around Dearborn)

    I don't blame them either, the nitro cars are where the action is at!

    Question for you: Greg Anderson a household name?

    Jason Line a household name?

    Be honest --- the answer is NO.

    Nuff said.

    (They can lock this thread up now, nuttin' more to say)

    :D :D :D
    Anderson won the race car driver of the year award a couple of years ago. Not a nitro guy. Nitro racers just aren't the real racers that the Pro Stock drivers are. There just not as much substance in their abilities. Some of these racers are parachute packers. I've said before that watching one nitro car crossing the finish while the other approaches half track is not good racing. This is what can make nitro so boring. If you take the average losing et as compared to the average winning et in nitro you will be shocked. I think you will need a calendar to calulate the difference. So many times I've walked away from the track with an excited feeling after watching Pro Stock and a total empty feeling of watching an up in smoke final in Top Fuel. Pro Stocks worst day of racing is more exciting than nitro best. The main thing I root for when watching nitro is that both cars make a full run without smoking the tires, throwing a belt, blowing the motor or oiling down the track. The odds are pretty good that one of those mishaps will happen. But after stating these facts I still enjoy watching a GOOD nitro race! But Pro Stock is still KING.
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Gary- I'm not taking it personal, I don't dislike John Force and I agree he is a Marketing gold mine for Castrol, Ford and Mustang. Ford gets a ton of mileage from that nut job. I do think NHRA and others need to do a better job at promoting other racers and other classes. I would bet a thousand dollars that John would agree. NHRA will never make it to the next level till they have several John Force types. He maybe a household name to many, but not all. That's not to say anyone is better known om drag racing and I don't think any Pro Stocker will be bigger. Do you think NASCAR got to the point they are at today because of one racer?? If Ford is giving JFR racing x-amount of money I'd say they are getting their monies worth. I would just like to see some FRP money develop some needed parts for Ford Pro Stock teams. Some of us enjoy the Factory Hot Rods. Yes even more than the nitro cars. And many are sportsman racers that buy tons of High Performance parts. I personally run a big block Ford in SG S/ST. When I attend a National Event I have observed the stands empty after the Nitro Cars run. (heck most get up and walk after Force runs!) And I'm sorry that is a huge problem for the sport! I will also tell you that if you watch around the 1000 ft of the pit side you will see a small section of reserved seats for "Racers" It will fill up with racers watching Pro Stock. Maybe the average fan leaves after Force and the Fuel cars but not the "Racers" And guess what, we buy parts! Ever wonder why Jegs and Summit sponsor Pro Stock?? and have a only a small decal on Fuel cars? They know who watches what and who buys thier parts. Scott Woodruff (PR/Marketing Director) of Jegs is very smart, he knows we buy the parts that are promoted in Pro Stock. That is why it is my opinion Ford Racing Parts needs to be involved in Pro Stock. Why does every one think JFR should be the only worth promoting?
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Damn this baby shot past 200!

    Well all I know is this: FORD COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT PRO STOCK!

    They love to be associated with a winning nitro team, and if they don't care about Ford Racing parts not being on the Mustang Floppers, why should anyone else.

    Be happy they dump money into racing.

    Pro Stock is just too boring to watch, let alone sponsor. (That must be the feelings around Dearborn)

    I don't blame them either, the nitro cars are where the action is at!

    Question for you: Greg Anderson a household name?

    Jason Line a household name?

    Be honest --- the answer is NO.

    Nuff said.

    (They can lock this thread up now, nuttin' more to say)

    :D :D :D
    Pro Stock boring to watch! Gotta disagree with that one. To me boring is when you watch fuel cars that have one or both cars go up in smoke so often. Lucky to see two cars get down both sides of the track. Once in a while you actually will see a close side by side fuel car race and that is pretty exciting. You get that every round in Pro Stock! In Pro Stock any one of the 16 cars can win. That rarely happens in the fuel classes. #16 probalby out early.
    I also think that to the average bracket racer "myself included" is that we can relate to a Pro Stock as the ultimate in that it is the top of the heap for us. We can relate to them and understand how they work. I also think that we believe we could drive one. I do enjoy watching the fuel cars run but I don't have a clue as to what really makes them tick. Now a Pro Stock is also highly sophisticated but I can look it and see a gasoline engine and a manual transmission. Something any of us who work on our own cars can relate to.
    I remember when Scott Geofrian was running the Escort he got a pretty fair amount of tv coverage for being the first Ford out there for awhile. In the fuel cars the rivalries are driver against driver. In Pro Stock car and even the bikes it is Dodge vs Pontiac or Chevrolet and the bikes it is Suzuki vs Harley...
    There are also driver rivalries but much more manufacturer loyalty than in the fuel classes. That is why Ford should be in there. It is great publicity. Especially Ford vs Chevrolet. You can't get any better than that. Brian
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Yes. You are correct about the number one qualifier thing in the fuel classes this past season. I forgot already.Sorry. I guess what I was trying to say and should have said was that a 16 car Pro Stock field is so tight between #'s 1-16 that anyone can have a good shot at winning. Of course it helps if you happen to be a KB car also. In the fuel cars #'s 1-16 fields are not nearly as close by et as Pro Stock. I did not go back through all the records like I did for average car counts to back this up but I think I am correct. This last year was especially tough in Pro Stock where you damn near had to run a National record just to qualify at some events. Now even a fuel fan would have to admit that was exciting. In Top Fuel this year I really enjoyed watching JR Todd. I think he brings alot to the Top Fuel class and whipping up on Tony Schumacher always helps add to the excitment in the class. All I am getting at is I would like to see a "Ford Backed" Pro Stocker out there. A previous post mentioned stealing an exisitng team and switching them to Fords. Great idea. Love to see it happen. Brian
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    I also need to work on my paragraphs. I am a 2 fingered typist but can actually get quite a few words per minute. I just get to typing my thoughts and it all runs together. Paragraphs are easier to read. Brian
  • edited January 2007
    gary4205 wrote:
    I'll tell you what, the next time you go to the track, walk over to Force or Capps. Or Dixon. Or Mc Clenathan! Tell them you think they don't have any "skills of substance"! I'd duck if I were you when you call Melanie Troxel a "parachute packer"! In fact, make sure you send your insurance premiums in before you leave for the track! I doubt NHRA's accident coverage was meant to deal with this!

    Now THAT is funny, ..

    I think we all agree pro stock kicks butt, .. and Ford does need to
    get behind a pro stock team, .. and there's a few trying, ..
    let's see what happens.

    Curtis
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Sharx, that's crap. You really think a team would jeopardize their very existence by cheating?

    And I know this will sound like I'm picking on you but if you would do a little work on paragraphs it would make your posts a lot easier to read.

    Good lord, my wife said I was the only one that would argue with a rock. I think I have found some others!:D

    I'm not going to turn this forum into who I think is pushing the rules and who isn't. But if you think a team wouldn't cheat you don't know much about racing. It happens all the time in all forms of racing. Some sanctioning bodies just handle it diffrent than others. Some fine the snot out of them and move on. Others are just told they can't race for x-amount of time and they keep quite so sponsors don't get hurt.

    Some in the past have been so obvious that Stevie Wonder could see something was going on. I think Richmond was one of those places last year. (Of course no one seen it cause they where all back at JFR pits cause the Pro Stockers where running.):rolleyes:

    I'll try my best with paragraphs so you can read my post:)
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Sharx, I'm not arguing. At least I don't mean to. I'm saying I do not believe any of the pro teams would cheat. Mistakes, yes. Deliberate, no.

    Thanks for the paragraphs. Much easier on the eyes.


    Bob I think NHRA has a job for you.:D :D
    You'll be working with your supervisor Stevie Wonder:D :D
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Cheating. Who knows . Pushing the grey areas. You bet. That's part of racing in any form. It is not cheating unless a rule specifically states you are doing something that should not be done. You are then breaking the rules and then that person or team should be dealt with accordingly.

    If any of you happen to be cup fans Darrel Waltrip's book is a pretty good read. He tells some of the "tricks" like lead shot in the frame rails, a radio made out mallory metal that just looked like a radio and several others. Has nothing to do with a Ford in Pro Stock but interesting anyway.

    How about that. Three paragraphs. Brian
  • b.guggenmosb.guggenmos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    Bob. I have the book in my desk at work. I don't think Waltrip actually used the word "cheating" but some other creative word. I will try to remeber to grab it and look. Some of it was pretty good. Brian
  • NotJamesBoosNotJamesBoos Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    no, it should be B/FIA like Al Corda. I beleive his is an 02 though.
  • edited January 2007
    Sharx, I'm not arguing. At least I don't mean to. I'm saying I do not believe any of the pro teams would cheat. Mistakes, yes. Deliberate, no.

    Don't want to fan the flames on this, .. too much:D

    But yes I would think any race team worth their salt has learned where
    they can stretch the rules.
    Does that mean cheating?, .. well, .. depends on who's reading the
    rule book, ..

    I build heads for all types of race teams, .. road, lemans, SCCA, IHRA
    etc, .. thay ALL ask for everything I can give them, legal or not.

    The little "game" between the tech guys and crew chief is just
    part of racing.

    Curtis
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited January 2007
    I'll tell you what, the next time you go to the track, walk over to Force or Capps. Or Dixon. Or Mc Clenathan! Tell them you think they don't have any "skills of substance"! I'd duck if I were you when you call Melanie Troxel a "parachute packer"! In fact, make sure you send your insurance premiums in before you leave for the track! I doubt NHRA's accident coverage was meant to deal with this!
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    Member- NKCRA
    (National Keyboard Crewchiefs Racing Association)
    I apologize to Melanie Troxel for the use of the P words, (Parachute Packers). As you'll recall I referred to some Nitro drivers as PP's. This was a RACEIALLY insensitive and a sexist remark. Tompetition Plus has ordered me to attend sensitivity classes and a fine not to exceed $1000,000! Melanie is a articulate, beautiful and talented racecar driver. Just ask Doug!! Actually she's hot! There I go again? Please forgive me Tommy. I ask for forgiveness and hope for closure to this most divisive situation. I hope the drag racing community can someday forgive me. P. S. I'm meeting with my All State representative this morning just in case Melanie doesn't forgive me!!
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited January 2007
    With her star power, perhaps only second to Force. Would she run a Pro Stock Ford, She might have the clout that could help Fords lagging sales. OH, thanks Bob and Gary for accepting my apologies.
  • sharxsharx Senior Member
    edited January 2007
    With her star power, perhaps only second to Force. Would she run a Pro Stock Ford, She might have the clout that could help Fords lagging sales. OH, thanks Bob and Gary for accepting my apologies.

    Good lord Larry that would be crazy! She would have to be nuts. Come to think of it She might do it!!!!:D :D :rolleyes:
  • larrydavis427larrydavis427 Banned
    edited January 2007
    She just doesn't look like a women who would hold a grudge. I plan on going to the Pomona finals race, Englishtown, Sonoma and Maple Grove. At one of the races I'll stop at her souvenir tent and pick up all of her logos, shirts and jackets. At that point I'll introduce myself and hope for the best. It might be best if I wait till she wins first round. This morning my All State agent dropped my life insurance policy!!

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