Bob Korreck wrote:
James Maxwell wrote:
As presented, PRO STOCK IS BORING.
What that means is this: national events are set up where the T/F and F/C cars run first, then after all the exciting smoke, noise, impressive times and unreal speeds are lit up on the scoreboards, they pull out these quiet, stock-looking mousie cars that race --- Pro Stock.
They are slow and too quiet as compared to the real headline cars of drag racing, Nitro Burners!
Sure there's some close races, so is there in the Super Gas class, don't mean everyone wants to sit through it all.
Maybe the Pro Stocks would be the headliners if they ran with the Sportsman classes, make P/S the top dog as compared to Super Gas and Super Street. Of course they should not be part of Sunday, save that for the big boys.
Pro Stock on Sat, the Nitro Super Stars on Sunday.
Hey, that's the ticket!
Just think if all the "brains" of P/S would direct their attention to running a fuel car, all that R&D could actually go to something that the crowds (and TV audience) would love
32 F/C category --- that would make drag racing more on same level with NASCAR, as in bigger draw to the public.
NHRA simply has too many classes on Sunday.
The notion that Team Force should not get Ford sponsorship dollars because they do not use Ford parts is laughable. Besides the NHRA required castings, M-6010-A500 (block) and M-6049-E460 (head) and maybe a FL-1HP oil filter please list other parts can you find in the FMS catalogue that is used on a current day NHRA or IHRA PS car.
No longer is the class as it began with body-in-white type construction with real factory parts. PS cars are now purpose built vehicles covered with the flavor of the year carbon-fiber, regardless of the manufacturer. With overhang requirements, stretched fenders, body aero- liberties, and swoopy high rise flat hood surfaces it doesn’t really matter what “body” is hung over the tubes.
Bolted to those tubes are the generally same 4-link bars holding up the generally same 9” Ford derived differential being spun by a class-typical transmission.
As the class evolves, racers eventually hit upon the same secrets to cover the distance the shortest amount of time. So the cars all evolve to look the same, much like their TF and FC counterparts.
So the difference must be the power-plant. With bore spacing limitations a block is a block, is a block; or so thought Chrysler as they tried to pass off GM stuff as their own a few years ago. Now that all the internals are on a weight program, even the rotating assemblies can be almost identical.
So, it must be the heads. But are the accepted Sonny’s GM hemi heads (IHRA side of things) really Boss Ford knock-offs? But just how alike are the Ford wedge heads to the DRCE castings? And the Chrysler HEMI is really a hemispherical combustion chamber? With all heads being just a hunk of aluminum anyway, should the real discussion be about plug placement, chamber shape and runner length?
It appears the only deterrent to a COMPETITIVE Ford in (NHRA) Pro Stock is the willingness of car owners to support an R&D program from their own pockets or by finding outside sources of funding. Please respect Jim Cunningham and Hurley Blakney for doing just that with their programs.
As an example I remind you of Vince Forcade. He rented the Hurley Blakney Escort that sat idle for almost a year, qualified it #12 and took out #5 WJ (6.912 to a 6.919) before losing to Larry Morgan in the 2nd round. This was the Panella powered car that with limited track time went to a final round with Scott Geoffrion a year earlier. That says a Ford can be NHRA competitive, doesn’t it?
Very well writen and I agree 100%.
At times this thread has kind of gotten off track but you have steered it right back where it belongs with this post.
I hope the Cunninghams are getting somewhere. The winter "off' season is winding down. Could we get an update of progress? Brian
The sidetracking has been lively at times and interesting. You are right in that it keeps the thread alive as we Ford fans are in the minority.
I think you are wrong about boring Pro Stock and exciting Top Fuel. Seems backwards. Have you ever stood by an idling Pro Stock and listened to rumpity rumptiy idle or been at the traps at 10k rpm. That is music to my ears. Brian
Better question is: Have you ever stood between two nitro burners at launch?
As much as I like a "rumpity idle", there is NO comparison.
Bob Korreck wrote:
I may drive and race a Vette but I'm Ford at heart. In '03 I wanted a Cobra but they were being sold before they were built. I was not going to buy a car I couldn't see and touch.
And I must say I'm very happy with the outcome. Out the door the Vette has the performance hands down. Also has an automatic tranny which is required for consistency.
GM and Ford are missing the boat. They could sell a lot more of the performance cars if they offered them with an auto.
They also have a problem with NHRA. The new Z06 stock will run 10.80. Cars faster than 11.50 must have a roll bar. NHRA, GM and Ford should be tallking to resolve these issues.
James Maxwell wrote:
Let's stick to the subject folks, nobody cares about Ford as a Pro Stock entry.
"What about a Competitive Ford in Pro Stock".....was over 300 replies, now down to 285 for some reason with over 12,000 views...nope nobody cares........;)
As far as an update...we are working very hard and making progress, and Ford Racing has been very helpful.
I will have more to say towards the end of the month, I appreciate everybody's support and ask for just a little more patience.
It would be nice to see a ford in pro stock(nhra)
I do like the looks of the mustang that the ihra is using.
I'm a chevy guy,but I think it would be great for the sport,and the car manufacters to have more in the show than just gm,and mopar.
18 pages and counting..
Does that mean that the engine that Billy Glidden is supposed to have legal?
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