Larry Dixon Rediscovers Passion for Drag Racing....

Larry Dixon Rediscovers Passion for Drag Racing....

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  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited August 2017
    Top Fuel legend Larry Dixon hopes to top 330 mph at Martin Dragway's Northern Nationals
    August 10, 2017 at 10:23 AMPosted on August 10, 2017 at 10:22 AM
    "I raced the quartermile last week in Canada and last month in Australia, but I haven't raced the quartermile in the United States since NHRA changed the rules on that, so that goes back to 2008," Dixon said of the sanctioning body's decision to go to 1,000 feet racing. "It's been a little while since I've been able to air it out in our country, so I'm definitely excited about that opportunity.

    "As a competitor, whatever it is, you are going to try to be the quickest. But I think (the quartermile) is what most people can relate to. Being able to go to a facility that is in position to let us run the quartermile, I love it."

    http://www.mlive.com/autoracing/index.ssf/2017/08/top_fuel_legend_larry_dixon_ho.html#incart_river_home
  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited August 2017
    Dixon interview yesterday talking about runnin' the 1/4 mile today and trying to beat the Lagana's 330.79 track record:

    https://www.facebook.com/us131motorsportspark/videos/10156029094480639/?hc_ref=ARRQCq5kPETdjReG7iL_kHsQcNPFkLZpGUQUXNNEmZ1pwnxywYq0ZAFcYjhF0vq0kIE
  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited October 2017
    Larry's 2-seater debut at SEMA today. :cool:
    No word yet on the cost to be in it. I'm sure there's liability forms to fill out.

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  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited October 2017
    Article, interview, pics, cost to ride, video on the track

    http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-racing/news/dixon-reveals-two-seat-top-fuel
  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Enter to win a ride!

    https://wn.nr/gDwCmv

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  • GolfRacerGolfRacer Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    I saw the car on Tuesday and told Larry this is the greatest marketing tool for sponsors I've ever seen. And I'm really, really tempted to spend the money to ride this thing. But I'd want a full 1000 ft pass.
  • de31168de31168 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    What does the NHRA think about it? Indefinite suspension..

    http://nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=70353&zoneid=175
  • zippsterzippster Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    I think there is some bad blood between Mr. Dixon and NHRA. Remember when he was asked to remove the decals at Gainsville. Perhaps politics have also entered into this scenario, perhaps someone with Traxxis ties complained and made it an issue.
    Not sure how much modification can be done to a chassis before the "tag" would need re-certified.
    Glad to see Mr. Dixon try something new, NASCAR has 2 seat cars and Mario Andretti had a 2 seat Indy Car, have also seen a 2 seat sprint car so why not.
  • WillyWilly Administrator
    edited November 2017
    Not good....

    I wonder what McKinney and Traxxas thinks of this....
  • mgty3whlrmgty3whlr Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    John Force and Tanner Gray should be on that list.
  • WillyWilly Administrator
    edited November 2017
    mgty3whlr wrote: »
    John Force and Tanner Gray should be on that list.

    Oh?

    Wasn't aware of them being accused of using a "NHRA chassis tag on an unauthorized and unapproved" car. :rolleyes:
  • Yvonne*Yvonne* Super Moderator
    edited November 2017
    Oh boy, not good at all. Did they use part of an existing chassis? I just assumed they built the whole thing new.
  • Roger GatesRoger Gates Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Willy wrote: »
    Oh?

    Wasn't aware of them using a "NHRA chassis tag on an unauthorized and unapproved" car. :rolleyes:

    Absolutely no connection: And if NHRA suspends Force & Gray just because someone (small group) who doesn't like them looking for an excuse knows more than the officials it pretty much would be the end of NHRA Pro racing as the inmates would be running the asylum. Counting the Gray customers it means at least a dozen entries in the P/M - P/S - F/C & T/F classes. If there was concrete evidence that they are not fit to drive it is a different story, but that hasn't been determined. In Force's case the issue most likely will be resolved with the 2018 rules package. There is already a procedure in place for a driver and/or car to make three (clean) runs if the competition director has determined that it is necessary before going back to competition. Easy solution would be to have someone else drive the car or have John drive one of the other cars, which would be an internal thing to JFR.

    The rule book states that any time there are modifications to or repairs from an accident on the track the car (vehicle) must be re certified. A customer of mine was licensing a different driver for his front motor dragster and he got oiled in - over steered & laid it on it's side. Track officials pulled the Tag on the car - ripped the tag out of his helmet - cut the tag off his fire suit - cut the tags off the harness and confiscated his gloves while it was still on the track. There is no way that a car can be remade or modified without being re certified to SEMA specs which there are none of for a two seater dragster. The process to do something like that takes a long time and a lot of effort especially for a one off basically exhibition car. Also there would be no way for a passenger to ride without a physical and a special application to ride which there is none of. The one thing about it is if it was not on an NHRA insured or member track it is really none of their business, but the SEMA tag remains an issue.
  • Yvonne*Yvonne* Super Moderator
    edited November 2017
    The rule book states that any time there are modifications to or repairs from an accident on the track the car (vehicle) must be re certified. A customer of mine was licensing a different driver for his front motor dragster and he got oiled in - over steered & laid it on it's side. Track officials pulled the Tag on the car - ripped the tag out of his helmet - cut the tag off his fire suit - cut the tags off the harness and confiscated his gloves while it was still on the track. There is no way that a car can be remade or modified without being re certified to SEMA specs which there are none of for a two seater dragster. The process to do something like that takes a long time and a lot of effort especially for a one off basically exhibition car. Also there would be no way for a passenger to ride without a physical and a special application to ride which there is none of. The one thing about it is if it was not on an NHRA insured or member track it is really none of their business, but the SEMA tag remains an issue.

    ^^^What Roger said. However, they did state they've ran the car to the 1/8 mile already which is what opened themselves up to action from NHRA albeit, after the fact. The weird thing is that McKinney is on the SFI Chassis committee according to the article.
  • WillyWilly Administrator
    edited November 2017
    Yvonne* wrote: »
    ^^^What Roger said. However, they did state they've ran the car to the 1/8 mile already which is what opened themselves up to action from NHRA albeit, after the fact. The weird thing is that McKinney is on the SFI Chassis committee according to the article.

    It appears the certification tag is the issue.

    Unanswered questions are....

    Who issued it?

    It it from another car?

    Is it bogus?

    Every other type of recognized exhibition car must be certified. Is this configuration recognized?
  • mgty3whlrmgty3whlr Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Willy wrote: »
    Oh?

    Wasn't aware of them being accused of using a "NHRA chassis tag on an unauthorized and unapproved" car. :rolleyes:

    That's a different story to tell but my point is, Maybe Larry had a NHRA cert. chassis that had the sticker on it and they used that section to build the 2 seater and forgot to scrape it off.

    As for my other comment, How many times This year has John crossed the centerline let alone cursed on T.V.???? FS1 is a different story but NATIONAL T.V.? What happened to Tanner when there were fist fights in the pits?? Fines? Prob. not! I think NHRA is pissed because of 2 things with Larry. 1- The sticker on the side of his dragster promoting IHRA and 2- He is on the IHRA board with some other previous NHRA drivers.

    NHRA was mad at the "Street Outlaw" guys because they had NHRA stickers and #'s on the side of their cars during filming and stripped Justin "Big Chief" shearer of his license but then all of the sudden they see his fame on the show and let him run Indy.
  • WillyWilly Administrator
    edited November 2017
    mgty3whlr wrote: »
    That's a different story to tell but my point is, Maybe Larry had a NHRA cert. chassis that had the sticker on it and they used that section to build the 2 seater and forgot to scrape it off.

    As for my other comment, How many times This year has John crossed the centerline let alone cursed on T.V.???? FS1 is a different story but NATIONAL T.V.? What happened to Tanner when there were fist fights in the pits?? Fines? Prob. not! I think NHRA is pissed because of 2 things with Larry. 1- The sticker on the side of his dragster promoting IHRA and 2- He is on the IHRA board with some other previous NHRA drivers.

    NHRA was mad at the "Street Outlaw" guys because they had NHRA stickers and #'s on the side of their cars during filming and stripped Justin "Big Chief" shearer of his license but then all of the sudden they see his fame on the show and let him run Indy.

    Ah.... "whataboutisms" and conspiracy theories .

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Larry Dixon has the right to appeal his suspension. Details​ will come out when the process completes, if not before.
  • ThecapnredfishThecapnredfish Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    They have nothing else going on so this seemed like something to generate some hype. I could build a car with six seats. Drive it down a strip. Wtf does NHRA have to do with it when it's not their track or event? I don't get it. Maybe Palmer should build one. Better yet put two seats in Forces car so we can see what's really going on.
  • Yvonne*Yvonne* Super Moderator
    edited November 2017
    Willy wrote: »
    It appears the certification tag is the issue.

    Unanswered questions are....

    Who issued it?

    It it from another car?

    Is it bogus?

    Every other type of recognized exhibition car must be certified. Is this configuration recognized?

    That's right because it seems to me others should bear some responsibility here too. Chances are this thing is built as well as it should be BUT on something that would potentially carry "civilians" you better dang well make sure every T is crossed and I is dotted! Talk about a potential legal disaster if something bad happened.... which is probably why NHRA has acted so decisively here.
  • Yvonne*Yvonne* Super Moderator
    edited November 2017
    They have nothing else going on so this seemed like something to generate some hype. I could build a car with six seats. Drive it down a strip. Wtf does NHRA have to do with it when it's not their track or event? I don't get it. Maybe Palmer should build one. Better yet put two seats in Forces car so we can see what's really going on.

    Six seats maybe but not six riders.
  • lddkellerlddkeller Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    Perfect opportunity to slide in for IHRA and capitalize on the attention. I understand NHRA's concern and their rules, but you have to wonder if they were working on this concept and Dixon beat them to completion or something to that effect. If you are NHRA, why would you not work with him and utilize this platform for more exposure of the sport? It just seems silly.
  • GolfRacerGolfRacer Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    lddkeller wrote: »
    . If you are NHRA, why would you not work with him and utilize this platform for more exposure of the sport? It just seems silly.

    Exactly. In my business life I've had partners / customers not quite live up to certain arrangements but the intent was good. I just went to them privately and worked out the differences. Win-win.

    NHRA should do the same - go work out these differences quietly - nobody knows any different. Instead the heavy hand is used and more barriers built. If they do have a grudge against LD (for some reason) then they're double dumb to do this such publicy. Larry is a popular man and has done a lot for drag racing / NHRA. Can anyone really, no kidding, "get" the marketing ideas that are right in front of NHRA? (and not just this deal) Good grief.
  • de31168de31168 Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    I don't think the NHRA wants any part of that thing at their events or at their tracks. I can't say that I blame them. The unpredictable nature of a Top Fuel dragster - even when everything is over prepared - would be enough to make me say no thanks. Do you think when a slick blows and that thing hits the wall like Torrence did at Dallas that you want to be in the cockpit? Who knows if the cockpits would break away from each other. How about when a camshaft breaks or an intake valve hangs open and the thing explodes into the back of your head? There are just certain things that can't and shouldn't be a ride along experience. Great in theory and a cool promo tool, but let IHRA or unsanctioned tracks have it.

    The bangshift article added a few more tidbits...
    So the natural question is, “how was there a chassis tag on it”? Well that story remains to be told and we do not have the answers. There are possible scenarios, though. One is that the driver’s area was already built as part of another car which had a tag on it and the passenger area was added on, so the tag was already present. Another is that somehow a tag was procured and affixed to the chassis. We have no idea how it got there but by the wording of the NHRA announcement, it shouldn’t have been present.

    Then there is a second part to the story that has not been brought up and that may be the crux of this whole issue. We have learned from sources that early in the spring Dixon approached NHRA officials about displaying the car at an event and they declined to let him do so. It was apparently made clear that the car was not certified to run on NHRA tracks. This leads us to an as yet unconfirmed report that the car was actually run at the NHRA sanctioned Edgewater Dragway in Ohio during the late September/early October time frame. If that is the case and word got back to NHRA head quarters, it sheds more light on the situation.
  • kosky racingkosky racing Member
    edited November 2017
    What does the tire people think of this?I dont think they would want any part of this.
  • WillyWilly Administrator
    edited November 2017
    de31168 wrote: »
    The bangshift article added a few more tidbits...

    Actually a lot of tidbits... :cool:

    https://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/nhra-suspends-larry-dixon-indefinitely/
  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    de31168 wrote: »
    What does the NHRA think about it? Indefinite suspension..
    When I read your post, the first thing I thought of was Garlits for some reason. Would love to hear that phone conversation.

    lol
    de31168 wrote: »
    I don't think the NHRA wants any part of that thing at their events or at their tracks. I can't say that I blame them. The unpredictable nature of a Top Fuel dragster - even when everything is over prepared - would be enough to make me say no thanks. Do you think when a slick blows and that thing hits the wall like Torrence did at Dallas that you want to be in the cockpit? Who knows if the cockpits would break away from each other. How about when a camshaft breaks or an intake valve hangs open and the thing explodes into the back of your head? There are just certain things that can't and shouldn't be a ride along experience. Great in theory and a cool promo tool, but let IHRA or unsanctioned tracks have it.
    Not to mention someone developing back problems when they get out, even if he only makes 60ft. runs. That's why you fork over $10,000 and sign a boatload of liability papers.
  • Yvonne*Yvonne* Super Moderator
    edited November 2017
    IHRA got rid of their exhibition cars and feature cars. I seriously doubt they'll want any part of this. And a marketing idea for NHRA? No way. This is fraught with way too many variables. I know racers who've had heart attacks in 10 second cars. You guys REALLY think just anybody can withstand the G forces or tire shake a TF dragster could produce?!
  • slugbelchslugbelch Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    ... don't forget, this is not the first modern day two-seater, so there is a history of these things.
    Yvonne* wrote: »
    .You guys REALLY think just anybody can withstand the G forces or tire shake a TF dragster could produce?!
    ... liability papers.
    Yvonne* wrote: »
    IHRA got rid of their exhibition cars and feature cars. I seriously doubt they'll want any part of this. And a marketing idea for NHRA? No way.
    I wonder if this is the reason Studezilla is not allowed to run at events.
  • Tim CharletTim Charlet Senior Member
    edited November 2017
    ....sometimes it's better to go slow than go fast.....

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